So uh..why does this forum hate FFXIV youtubers so much?

[Raven2014]

Eh I don't hate Vtuber, I watch a few of them from time to time and some does have good content.

When it come to debate, I don't think Vtuber's opinion is any more or less valid. A 1h video from Vtuber about an issue is no difference than someone typing a paragraph of argument on the forum, at least that's how I see it. And just like regular posters, Vtuber and streamer have their own echo chamber and circle jerk. About half, probably more of the traffic of these contents creators came from self-feeding content loop, that's why you see a lot "reaction" video, or "reaction to reaction". As soon as someone made a piece content that gain some traction, you'll often see a bunch of others descend into that content to make their own piece of derevative work.

It's not a new model. You see this in the tabloid sphere of the media as well, especially in the sport and celebrity area. An outlet would put up a rumor (could be real could be fake) to rile up the readership, and if that gain traction, you'll see other outlets start creating their own derivative work, either to jump on the bandwagon or creating debunk, or debunk of the debunk article. In the end it's often matter little what being said, but more about how many cross traffic generated between them. And this is not just my own take by the way, I have seen some streamers/vtubers (like Asmon, Lucy ...etc...) straight up admit that the circle of leeching off each other and feeding into each others is exactly how their economy work.


I don't think people here is exactly have issue with Vtuber/streamer content, rather how it's used by some people in their desperate search for validation. Like, ok, if you and me are debating through a series of post, and you cite a video because it articulate things better than you can, then it's fair. But creating a new topic for each one of them ... that's like start taking random post that agree with you in a 20pg topic, like "here is post #135 in the other thread posted by this random person that prove me right!". Then imagine seeing someone doing that 2 or 3 more times for other posts in a row ....


It doesn't make you right, it makes you look cringe.

[Carin-Eri]

Eh I don't hate Vtuber, I watch a few of them from time to time and some does have good content.

When it come to debate, I don't think Vtuber's opinion is any more or less valid. A 1h video from Vtuber about an issue is no difference than someone typing a paragraph of argument on the forum, at least that's how I see it. And just like regular posters, Vtuber and streamer have their own echo chamber and circle jerk. About half, probably more of the traffic of these contents creators came from self-feeding content loop, that's why you see a lot "reaction" video, or "reaction to reaction". As soon as someone made a piece content that gain some traction, you'll often see a bunch of others descend into that content to make their own piece of derevative work.

It's not a new model. You see this in the tabloid sphere of the media as well, especially in the sport and celebrity area. An outlet would put up a rumor (could be real could be fake) to rile up the readership, and if that gain traction, you'll see other outlets start creating their own derivative work, either to jump on the bandwagon or creating debunk, or debunk of the debunk article. In the end it's often matter little what being said, but more about how many cross traffic generated between them. And this is not just my own take by the way, I have seen some streamers/vtubers (like Asmon, Lucy ...etc...) straight up admit that the circle of leeching off each other and feeding into each others is exactly how their economy work.


I don't think people here is exactly have issue with Vtuber/streamer content, rather how it's used by some people in their desperate search for validation. Like, ok, if you and me are debating through a series of post, and you cite a video because it articulate things better than you can, then it's fair. But creating a new topic for each one of them ... that's like start taking random post that agree with you in a 20pg topic, like "here is post #135 in the other thread posted by this random person that prove me right!". Then imagine seeing someone doing that 2 or 3 more times for other posts in a row ....


It doesn't make you right, it makes you look cringe.

But surely one could argue that making four videos on what is essentially the same topic is just as "cringe"?

[Kaurhz]

Uh...

It's mostly just one of those "You don't share the same opinion I do, therefore, I dislike you" - They've been on both sides of this coin, frankly. Both for liking the game, and for disliking it.

I would say it's rife. But it's not really any different from any other community, really.

[Fawkes]

But I also have the same thought process of people who'll reply with a meme image instead of coming up with their own reply.

[BRVV]

Can't wait for "Zepla uploaded another video! Let's go through her 52 minute ramblings #21", "Will Asmon return to FFXIV!? (November 2023)", "Preach preaches about Island Sanctuary", "Crytuber loved Endwalker! Will they love Dawntrail?", "This is what genericYoutuber0815 hopes for Dawntrail! Do you agree"?

I hope there will be less YouTuber topics on this forum

[Daddyslittlevampire]

cringe

10char

grrrr this is why i hate people... well most people

[TaleraRistain]

It also probably doesn't help that people will link to a video and say "this is my opinion" instead of just articulating their own opinion on things.
Even if it's word for word the same ideals as someone who made a video, you can at least type it out if your opinion means any value to yourself.

I'm pretty much neutral toward streamers. This is my only issue. What kind of discussion is it opening up? If someone outlined points made and then offered their own perspectives, that's something a forum conversation could be built on. Instead it's just tossing out a video "X says this!" Well, I don't really care what X says. I care what you, as the OP, says. I'm not really getting that from these posts.

[Carin-Eri]

I dont just dislike ffxiv YouTubers, I dislike any "gamer YouTubers or streamers"

First I dislike how people act like everything they say is right and blindly follow. I hate what they have done to games and honestly I hate what they have done to youtube as well, I just don't understand why people including game devs basically worship them. I find them annoying and stupid that either white knight or just say w/e to get clicks and views.

To be fair, I don't find the MSQ 'reaction' videos (to the MSQ and trailers/cinematics) too bad - in fact, if anything, it's quite nice seeing someone else experience the emotions I once did when playing through the MSQ.

[Boblawblah]

I like Youtubers that make guides. I've been watching this Weskalber guy a bit, and he's been helping me with understanding jobs I've never used before. What I don't enjoy is drama youtubers. The Asmongold types if you will. They make a controversial video, get a bunch of views, and then spend the next 3 weeks trying to take advantage of the reaction of the first video by making follow up videos. Then other drama youtubers jump on the train to make reactions of their reaction, etc. It's very high school drama-esk to me.

As for parasocial relationships in general, I hate them. I think they're extremely unhealthy for the viewers and the content creator, and don't encourage healthy habits on both sides.

[anna-steele]

same reason people hate the talking heads at MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc.. its just oped pieces being masqueraded as facts... pundits,

gaming youtubers are quite literally advertisements and internet litterbugs, hoping for as much sensationalism and drama as possible as it brings in revenue. just like the 9 o'clock timeslots on "news" stations.