So uh..why does this forum hate FFXIV youtubers so much?

[SilverObi]

Some people just don't care for youtubers and their opinions, same as some people don't care for opinion pieces on blogs or in the newspaper. I did find it kinda funny how when the general consensus is "game good" from youtubers, the people who hate the game too much say it's not valid or they're shills and the people who love the game too much flock to them. But when the inverse happens and a few big streamers start saying "game bad" then suddenly both side's positions flip. Human nature I guess

[Canadane]

There are a lot of really good FFXIV YT channels that don't get enough traction.

I appreciate your continued support.
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[DPZ2]

So, was this really 9 pages of "You should enjoy this YouTuber. You should vilify this YouTuber. Who the heck puts anything except memes and humorous videos on YouTube?" with the inevitable "white knight/dark knight" controversy?

I liked that one person who provided an ultimate guide to Dark Knight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmSNVYkKFAY

[Batbrat]

? I dont think about them enough to hate them. I watch youtubers all the time.
I just prefer to watch ones who do and teach useful things in real life, like cooking, housekeeping, fitness, university, career tips-if I watch a gaming channel, it'll be someone happily playing the game.

I think the disconnect here are that a lot of the channels linked here are not actually gaming channels. They're drama channels.
Remember the big rise of the makeup community "tea" drama channels? Congratulations, you watch makeup tier tea drama channels, just in relation to the same game over and over again. Don't know how any of you do it, not interested in finding out. If you love rehashed overly forced drama content about lalafell chairs and streamer arguments, then by all means, go ahead and watch that. but don't link it to me and try to tell me that I can't stand criticism about the game just because I refuse to give your desperate view and engagement farming drama lords a like, share, and subscribe. I'm not doing that. Not interested. I'm not watching it, go away. They're not going to say anything of any value to me. I don't need their dragged-out-for-more-ad-revenue-and-monetization validations of things that I likely already think to myself anyway. It's not useful to me. I can't apply anywhere. It's not a life skill, it doesnt make me any happier. I'm not enlightened, I've learned nothing new, it does nothing for my growth or soul nor does it even earn a smile, let alone a laugh. It's just useless drama peddling over ultimately, nothing of any actual serious importance. Take care.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I like to hear different thoughts and opinions from some of these youtubers.
Regardless if they say anything I like & Agree with, or if they say things I disagree with or even find dumb, its just their opinion.
Everybody on each side is allowed to have one and should voice it.

But I find it weird that anybody Attacks and Vilifies their Opinions, or Put them up on a Pedestal and Worship & Protects them like a K-Pop Idol.
Its just a Videogame, my goodness.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Any youtuber who uses that silly 'wwuuuttt' face in the video's thumbnail image because of Youtube's algorithm deserves to be mercilessly mocked.

[Renalt]

Any youtuber who uses that silly 'wwuuuttt' face in the video's thumbnail image because of Youtube's algorithm deserves to be mercilessly mocked.

I'm throwing my lot with this one.

[Denji]

people be angy if you say bad things about their comfort game.

when criticism began for EW over just stuff being generally sloppy, they were very aggressive to the point of it being concerning.

[Renathras]

I really don't understand it.

It doesn't.

It's more people hate folks that are eternally negative of the game and post incessantly about it trying to use YouTube content creators, often ones they badmouthed in the past when said creators were positive about the game, to support their positions and speak for them, as well as presenting those opinions as authoritative. Basically: Appeal to authority fallacy.

They also like to use anyone not agreeing with said creators (or the negative posters) as "proof" of this fantasy they have that the FFXIV community is "toxic positive" to the point of rejecting any negativity...because the community doesn't appreciate terminal/perpetual negativity (which isn't unique to the community; Humans in general dislike spending time around people that are perpetually dour) nor does it appreciate attacks on the community/players. Mainly because no one likes being insulted and attacks on other players are not critiques of the game. Case in point:

The most important rule applies: If someone criticizes FFXIV, they will be hated.


Edit: This is not a good thing, and it happens way too much in this community.

...it really doesn't.

That used to be fairly true, but I've personally found you can be critical of the game, but as long as you are so respectfully, people don't hate on you. It's more often people who are being negative and insulting who have this illusion you can't be critical at all. People like to use this "the community hates anyone who criticizes the game" as a fig leaf shield against people being critical of them personally being kind of jerks. That is, negative people who are also being jerks to others try to act like people hate them for being negative of the game, not for them being jerks.

The double irony is that here on this forum in particular, the negatives outweigh the positives. A negative post here will get dozens of upvotes and streams of reinforcing replies while a positive one is lucky to get double-digit likes and such posters are routinely attacked and dogpiled on by the negative posters who seem to prefer being negative to other players than they often are critical of the game itself.

Which will continue so long as the more moderate critical voices, the people who are negative towards the game but otherwise respectful, continue to support the negative toxic voices rather than point out when they're unfairly attacking others.

[Zairava]

I don't really think it's a "hate" thing at large, but people who hate them unjustly will inevitably exist, as for most things. It's more the unnecessary chain of threads being made here with the videos instead of just lobbing it all into the first thread to keep it contained (even I find it unnecessary, frankly. I'd prefer if it was all contained into one thread). There's also the people who feel like we aren't forming our own opinion when we've had these concerns years longer than they have been vocal about.

There's the vocal users who "don't care" and it proceeds to derail the entire thread because not only does it actually serve no purpose for discussion, it feels like the content creators' concerns and feedback don't matter. Content creator or not, they are another player of the game, and content creators have far more influence and popularity than we do to take these concerns directly to YoshiP himself.

I watch MrHappy, I've kept up to date with this whole bit with Zepla despite not watching her otherwise because I feel like her concerns come with a genuine passion for wanting the game to be the best it can be, which happens to aligns with my concerns and my desire to see the game be better than it currently is, because it absolutely can be.

For me personally, I'm among those who had these concerns toward the game for much, much longer than they have been vocal about it for. While it was initially job design, now it's both job design and content longevity. Which are both valid concerns whether you want them to be or not.

I view their concerns as veteran players of the game, not as content creators, which is why I've been seen to bluntly retaliate at people who dismiss them unjustly regardless of how they feel about content creation. They have a more powerful voice than we do here, where it feels like we're shouting into the void.