G-give it Back T---T; !! (Scholar Edition)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS

Here’s a thing though: healing being boring is only one from many facets that makes the role unsatisfactory. Does giving us more interesting healing & opportunities for us to do that make it feel better? Certainly, to some extent. But that will not soothe the other facet of issue that is the boring downtime when CBU3 have actively weeding out the necessities of things like crowd control, utility (if you’re WHM lol), and other non-dps tool to use within this downtime. Damage becomes the only logical conclusion, yet they also bent on h*ll to make this incredibly boring by giving all 4 healers the same exact fillers that has no interaction with anything else in their own kits outside… just to exist.

At this point I’m just convinced they want the role exist to make tank & dps DF queues faster. /s

[Supersnow845]

Reiner is 100% correct here, there is physically only so much healing uptime they can introduce before it overwhelms the average DF healer (and as we know that amount is quite low), for that region of healing could they make the healing aspect more engaging……yes, have they shown any ability to do that in 5 expansions beyond maaaaaaaaybe misery……..no.

Now even if they did fix the healing aspect there is still so much downtime in this game, what can they fill it with
-buffs - well they have deleted interesting buff actions beyond “make someone else’s damage go up” and the design of the two minute meta means any attempt at this will just end up like the trash fire that is EW AST
-debuffs - there is really only two types of debuffs in this game
1) enemy damage go down (aka mitigation)
2) enemy defence go down (aka party buff)
Neither of which you can build an engaging gameplay loop around without something like the boss simply being too strong if the healers don’t rotate 100% uptime debuffs which returns to the original problem of the average DF healer just not being that good
-damage - damage becomes the only logical conclusion to what to do in downtime because of the way square designs their own game and right now damage is boring as hell

[Aravell]

At this point I’m just convinced they want the role exist to make tank & dps DF queues faster. /s

I've always said that the healer role as it is now looks like it was designed from the perspective of the person being healed instead of making it fun for the healer player. If you view the design from that lens, everything the team has done to the healer role will make sense in a twisted way.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I've always said that the healer role as it is now looks like it was designed from the perspective of the person being healed instead of making it fun for the healer player. If you view the design from that lens, everything the team has done to the healer role will make sense in a twisted way.

I was saying something similar to a friend in other day:

DPS:"Healer...!! Help..! I make mistake...!!"
Healer:*cast healing*
-DPS dies before the cast goes off-
***Instant Heals are born!!***

Healer:*chilling on not so full MP bar*
DPS:"What if you run out of MP...???"
***MP Management is deleted!!***

Healer:*Uses insta-heal.*
DPS:"You got more of those?"
Healer:"No, but we'll be fine, really!"
DPS:"But what if we make mistakes??"
***2nd charge is given to Divine Benison!!***
***More healing oGCDs that aren't needed are born!!***

DPS:*sees healer contributing dps* "What are you doing? :|"
Healer:"It's downtime."
DPS:"But you're a healer... you're supposed to heal!"
***Aero III, Shadowflare, etc are deleted!!***

Hidden because it's cursed.

[DiaDeem]

but that doesn't mean healers don't deserve to have a modest library of offensive spells

I mean... yeah, but a bunch of low interaction AOE DoTs don't really scream "Exciting Gameplay" or "SCH Thematic" either, which are arguments you can make for something like Kaiten (at the top of my head).
I'm all for more damage spells, but I want something that makes me interact with my Faeries and is more interesting than just pressing a button to spread some weakened DoT.

[VentVanitas]

having a Faerie was never SCH's singular defining thematic, nor would having 4 DoT related skills compared to the 20 or so other buttons it has suddenly compromise that identity.

[Aravell]

SCH's identity is a battle tactician. I'd argue that DoTs are a key part of their identity because disease is a debilitation, other removed things like Eye for an Eye are also a loss of identity. I'd also say that losing the ability to control the fairy separately is also going against the identity, since Lily is a separate entity and not a construct that only follows commands like Carbuncle.

[Supersnow845]

SCH got turned into a gimped fairy mage in 5.0 now people act like that’s always been it’s identity

[DiaDeem]

having a Faerie was never SCH's singular defining thematic, nor would having 4 DoT related skills compared to the 20 or so other buttons it has suddenly compromise that identity.

I'm sorry.. but I just don't believe pushing a single button to spread a weakened DoT that won't even complete the tick cause the pull is already dead will make the job's damage rotation that much more fun.

Fine, don't make it about the faeries (though I see no good reason to leave them out) but make up something actually interesting. Of these old abilities, only Shadow Flare seems mildly interesting to bring back.

Eye for an Eye are also a loss of identity. I'd also say that losing the ability to control the fairy separately is also going against the identity, since Lily is a separate entity and not a construct that only follows commands like Carbuncle

Yes to all of this.

CBU3 have actively weeding out the necessities of things like crowd control, utility (if you’re WHM lol), and other non-dps tool to use within this downtime. Damage becomes the only logical conclusion

Sad, but true. I can't really argue that. I don't think most people even know Sleep is still in the game. I'm surprised it hasn't been removed. Putting something to sleep to deal with a hard pull used to be fun... oh well.

Anyway, I've said my piece. Take care.

[Supersnow845]

I'm sorry.. but I just don't believe pushing a button to spread a weakened DoT that won't even complete the tick cause the pull is already dead will make the job's damage rotation that much more fun.

Fine, don't make it about the faeries (though I see no good reason to leave them out) but make up something actually interesting. Of these old abilities, only Shadow Flare seems mildly interesting to bring back.



Yes to all of this.

Anyway, I've said my piece. Take care.

What about miasma 2, a damage skill that was a massive DPS gain to use but had such a high MP cost that it was impossible to keep 100% uptime on it

I think interacting with MP more is something the game really needs