G-give it Back T---T; !! (Scholar Edition)

[Raiya]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-healer-issues

There's a big thread in the healer section atm basically fed up with the Shadowbringers Healer design onwards, alot of people were outright unhappy with the whole gutting of offensive abilites with healers in general. Scholar Expecially suffers the worst being gutted to a mere 3 DPS buttons. They need to just abandon this whole "pure healer" design and focus on a more "combat medic" approach where healers are essentially rear line support and long range DPS when people aren't in danger.

[Renathras]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-healer-issues

There's a big thread in the healer section atm basically fed up with the Shadowbringers Healer design onwards, alot of people were outright unhappy with the whole gutting of offensive abilites with healers in general. Scholar Expecially suffers the worst being gutted to a mere 3 DPS buttons. They need to just abandon this whole "pure healer" design and focus on a more "combat medic" approach where healers are essentially rear line support and long range DPS when people aren't in danger.

Uh...

...strong No.

Some people feel that way, but many don't want to be budget DPS or DPS at home or ARPG "supports". They want to be HEALERS, and this game did have that as a role in 1.X and 2.X and 3.X excepting SCH getting squirrely. Not everyone wants to be a "long range DPS" who is there just to make the other DPS players have more fun. A "support b--ch", if you will.

People wanting to HEAL on the HEALER role isn't a weird thing. People wanting to DPS on the HEALER role kinda is. But a good game can accommodate all kinds. WoW, for example, had Discipline "heal by dealing damage" Priests alongside Holy Priests. RIFT had Chloromancer Mages (heal by dealing damage) alongside more traditional "target party member, cast heal" healers. ARR did this with WHM as a healer and SCH as a support hybrid healer/DPSer. Everquest managed this 25 years ago. The idea that the only option is going "dps at home who occasionally heals the REAL dpsers so they can have fun fighting the dragon" is absurd.

EDIT:

Common Renathras L, move along people.

Funny how I can post an opinion, actually explained.

Someone posts a snarky rebuttal that adds exactly zero to the conversation: 6 likes.

This is why we can't have nice things/nuanced and respectful conversations, folks. Be better, people.

[BaconBits]

Common Renathras L, move along people.

[DiaDeem]

Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS

Edit: I'm not against damage rotation variety for Healers, I just don't find these old skills that interesting to bring back

[ty_taurus]

Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS

I feel the same way about tanking. I play tank to tank, not to DPS. Why do I have to attack?

[DiaDeem]

I feel the same way about tanking. I play tank to tank, not to DPS. Why do I have to attack?

I don't know if you're being cheeky, but I'll take this in good faith... I'm probably making a mistake, but...

I never said I don't wanna contribute to the DPS pool, but I want my healing interactions to be the core of my gameplay, not pretending pressing a single button to spread a DoT is very much interactive or interesting than smashing the floor with another single button.

[Supersnow845]

I don't know if you're being cheeky, but I'll take this in good faith... I'm probably making a mistake, but...

I never said I don't wanna contribute to the DPS pool, but I want my healing interactions to be the core of my gameplay, not pretending pressing a single button to spread a DoT is very much interactive or interesting than smashing the floor with another single button.

That’s the thing people want more DPS options because square has shown they are utterly incapable of adding interesting healer actions. We all know what DT 90-100 skills will be

92- dia 2 and glare 4
95- random healer action nobody asked for and people don’t really use
100- big new massive AOE heal we don’t need for the damage we take
(Possible deletion of 1 or 2 of the old heals such as fey blessing)

When that’s the thing we are gonna get and we know that the healing kits will never be made more interactive we may as well ask for that level 95 skill to be a DPS skill instead

[Nizzi]

Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS

So when the game presents you with opportunities to use your healing abilities/spells more do you take them or do you not do that kind of content? Genuine question.

[ty_taurus]

I don't know if you're being cheeky, but I'll take this in good faith... I'm probably making a mistake, but...

I never said I don't wanna contribute to the DPS pool, but I want my healing interactions to be the core of my gameplay, not pretending pressing a single button to spread a DoT is very much interactive or interesting than smashing the floor with another single button.

I was being cheeky, though not to be mean. I just really dislike that statement and find that it's harmful to the development of healer kit design and healer gameplay. Healer gameplay should involve consciously making choices around healing, but that doesn't mean healers don't deserve to have a modest library of offensive spells to ensure that when they do go on the offensive, that there's is some spark of engagement there just like with the tanks--the other non-DPS role. Damage is the central aspect to gameplay that revolves around combat. That is an unavoidable truth to any game that features combat anywhere, and no role can fully escape that reality.

[Raikai]

Ngl I especially love that the defunct Shadow Flare was also a mitigation tool for dungeon pulls.