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    Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS

    Edit: I'm not against damage rotation variety for Healers, I just don't find these old skills that interesting to bring back
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS
    I feel the same way about tanking. I play tank to tank, not to DPS. Why do I have to attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    I feel the same way about tanking. I play tank to tank, not to DPS. Why do I have to attack?
    I don't know if you're being cheeky, but I'll take this in good faith... I'm probably making a mistake, but...

    I never said I don't wanna contribute to the DPS pool, but I want my healing interactions to be the core of my gameplay, not pretending pressing a single button to spread a DoT is very much interactive or interesting than smashing the floor with another single button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    I don't know if you're being cheeky, but I'll take this in good faith... I'm probably making a mistake, but...

    I never said I don't wanna contribute to the DPS pool, but I want my healing interactions to be the core of my gameplay, not pretending pressing a single button to spread a DoT is very much interactive or interesting than smashing the floor with another single button.
    That’s the thing people want more DPS options because square has shown they are utterly incapable of adding interesting healer actions. We all know what DT 90-100 skills will be

    92- dia 2 and glare 4
    95- random healer action nobody asked for and people don’t really use
    100- big new massive AOE heal we don’t need for the damage we take
    (Possible deletion of 1 or 2 of the old heals such as fey blessing)

    When that’s the thing we are gonna get and we know that the healing kits will never be made more interactive we may as well ask for that level 95 skill to be a DPS skill instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    I don't know if you're being cheeky, but I'll take this in good faith... I'm probably making a mistake, but...

    I never said I don't wanna contribute to the DPS pool, but I want my healing interactions to be the core of my gameplay, not pretending pressing a single button to spread a DoT is very much interactive or interesting than smashing the floor with another single button.
    I was being cheeky, though not to be mean. I just really dislike that statement and find that it's harmful to the development of healer kit design and healer gameplay. Healer gameplay should involve consciously making choices around healing, but that doesn't mean healers don't deserve to have a modest library of offensive spells to ensure that when they do go on the offensive, that there's is some spark of engagement there just like with the tanks--the other non-DPS role. Damage is the central aspect to gameplay that revolves around combat. That is an unavoidable truth to any game that features combat anywhere, and no role can fully escape that reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    but that doesn't mean healers don't deserve to have a modest library of offensive spells
    I mean... yeah, but a bunch of low interaction AOE DoTs don't really scream "Exciting Gameplay" or "SCH Thematic" either, which are arguments you can make for something like Kaiten (at the top of my head).
    I'm all for more damage spells, but I want something that makes me interact with my Faeries and is more interesting than just pressing a button to spread some weakened DoT.
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    Last edited by DiaDeem; 09-14-2023 at 12:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS
    So when the game presents you with opportunities to use your healing abilities/spells more do you take them or do you not do that kind of content? Genuine question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Nah.. I want more healing abilities that interact more with my fairies and more opportunities to use them. If I wanted to DPS, well... I'd play a DPS
    Here’s a thing though: healing being boring is only one from many facets that makes the role unsatisfactory. Does giving us more interesting healing & opportunities for us to do that make it feel better? Certainly, to some extent. But that will not soothe the other facet of issue that is the boring downtime when CBU3 have actively weeding out the necessities of things like crowd control, utility (if you’re WHM lol), and other non-dps tool to use within this downtime. Damage becomes the only logical conclusion, yet they also bent on h*ll to make this incredibly boring by giving all 4 healers the same exact fillers that has no interaction with anything else in their own kits outside… just to exist.

    At this point I’m just convinced they want the role exist to make tank & dps DF queues faster. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    At this point I’m just convinced they want the role exist to make tank & dps DF queues faster. /s
    I've always said that the healer role as it is now looks like it was designed from the perspective of the person being healed instead of making it fun for the healer player. If you view the design from that lens, everything the team has done to the healer role will make sense in a twisted way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I've always said that the healer role as it is now looks like it was designed from the perspective of the person being healed instead of making it fun for the healer player. If you view the design from that lens, everything the team has done to the healer role will make sense in a twisted way.
    I was saying something similar to a friend in other day:

    DPS:"Healer...!! Help..! I make mistake...!!"
    Healer:*cast healing*
    -DPS dies before the cast goes off-
    ***Instant Heals are born!!***

    Healer:*chilling on not so full MP bar*
    DPS:"What if you run out of MP...???"
    ***MP Management is deleted!!***

    Healer:*Uses insta-heal.*
    DPS:"You got more of those?"
    Healer:"No, but we'll be fine, really!"
    DPS:"But what if we make mistakes??"
    ***2nd charge is given to Divine Benison!!***
    ***More healing oGCDs that aren't needed are born!!***


    DPS:*sees healer contributing dps* "What are you doing? :|"
    Healer:"It's downtime."
    DPS:"But you're a healer... you're supposed to heal!"
    ***Aero III, Shadowflare, etc are deleted!!***


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