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    CNitsah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Again, the highlighted part suggest you're basing your entire point on hearsay and rumor. Because anyone with actual practical experience will tell you that you flat out 100% wrong.
    It's not a rumor, that how players play game. Mentor roulette rarely get extreme for that reason, and when they do they rarely get to the end. Extreme ask for communication and organisation that seems to much for duty finder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Or hey, it's the weekend, I have a lot of time to play so let's get 5+ clears in today. And you can do it almost at any time you want outside of the time the "bed time" of your server. In fact, when an EX come out, getting a group up running for it tend to take less time than the queue time a DPS would have to spend on some of the roulette. So if that's not accessible, I don't know what else is.
    It's so accessible, look you just have to organise your life around it and be sure to commit to be there every week. You don't want to play that day for any reason. Yeah no, go play or else you'll get kicked out. Yeah super accessible. Sure.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNitsah View Post
    It's not a rumor, that how players play game. Mentor roulette rarely get extreme for that reason, and when they do they rarely get to the end. Extreme ask for communication and organisation that seems to much for duty finder.

    It's so accessible, look you just have to organise your life around it and be sure to commit to be there every week. You don't want to play that day for any reason. Yeah no, go play or else you'll get kicked out. Yeah super accessible. Sure.
    Extremes don't require a static and they are all accessible. Just join or make a PF party, like you'd do for maps, hunts and BLU spells. Farming level 80 and 90 extremes for mounts is midcore content, anything below that could be classed as easy casual content when unsynced.

    The reason mentor roulette extremes fail is because the groups are made of fresh level 50 players who are not prepared for midcore content. They don't read chat, don't know how to play their job and don't know basic boss mechanics like enmity and killing adds. I was a mentor and completed a few extremes when the group wasn't a noobfest. I also completed those same fights as unreal trials with randoms. No voice comms or schedules were needed.

    Are you all forgetting the point of midcore content? The point is that it's a step up from casual content one can do blind in 1-3 pulls. That step up can be improving one's rotation, watching a guide or joining a few different groups to practice before clearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    The reason mentor roulette extremes fail is because the groups are made of fresh level 50 players who are not prepared for midcore content. They don't read chat, don't know how to play their job and don't know basic boss mechanics like enmity and killing adds. I was a mentor and completed a few extremes when the group wasn't a noobfest. I also completed those same fights as unreal trials with randoms. No voice comms or schedules were needed.

    Are you all forgetting the point of midcore content? The point is that it's a step up from casual content one can do blind in 1-3 pulls. That step up can be improving one's rotation, watching a guide or joining a few different groups to practice before clearing.
    I think your meaning is for good, but if the midcore is for players from casual or relatively inexperienced, how does watching a guide or joining a few different groups should under its standard...

    don't get me wrong, I absolutely not as experience as you, but I also tried DF lv50(and above) different EX/Savage to learn and help fresh player partys to practice or cleared before,
    since I already love these content even when I was and still new (EX, Savage, MINE, DD.. etc), and would love to continue my journey, so I would assume myself at least a lowest level of the midcore player,
    but it's off-topic, my apologize

    yet.. learning is a process involves both theory and practice, does even learning all the markers, variants, mechanic names (many of these new and casual player may not even knowing its concept or where it's from),
    or at least the guide of the battle you're aim for is something beginner guide and must do already? (as midcore "standard" to join the conent such as "EX", while we don't really know their experience)
    and would not this kinda become a bias only becuase we already get ourself into it, and this is how currently FF14 is?

    we all know that the game mechanic is something that building up in time, knowing server tick, many or all differnt trial's mechs, phases, hp check, enrage, strats.. etc
    yet if the standard are building so high, does we even should count clearing all ARR-ShB's (or even EW) EX and easier/important Savage as require to enter midcore and hardcore?

    it's not as different as to say "you don't like *** (fill in relic, eureka, island, DD ..etc)? just go and try it, you will get used to it / this is how we all start with"
    who can't? to be tell everyone have the conent they having more hard time at the begin or don't interesting with, it's more about if the frustration meet our expectations for the experience

    in my opinion, since FF14 is also more casual friendly, and no one love to call them self no-life hardcoreer, or the players who calling people don't like battle conent as a cancer,
    whatever terms we (players who have more experience participants than inexperienced) want to use or distinguish between players' skills level,
    (there's reason why we want to be Legends, Necromancer, Mentor of the Mentor, Big fish ...etc, or even just self-expected to be one of the best or kindest players, and for this content, I assume player's skills is a right term)
    I think it's good to take more seriously that FF14's learning curve do is a bit steeper, and "this is how MMO should be" would not help from this
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    Last edited by WhataCrow; 09-13-2023 at 06:24 AM. Reason: try to correcting the message to be more objective and express my view point, since it's already too bloody long..