Is there no medium difficulty content or am I just too stupid?

[Hyperia]

SE more less killed Midcore content years ago, I don't have much to add they tried re adding bits, but it just gets forgotten or just too dull.
current Midcore content is variant dungeons but lacks incentive outside 12 paths to re-run it.
and morsels same when they add 24 mans.

but yeah, Midcore is not in the game at all

Personally, I would not include variant as mid, it’s more hardcore. My static, at the time, was farming panda when it came out. It was so difficult that we didn’t want to bother with it as the rewards were awful and not worth the time investment to learn it. I want a harder dungeon, sure, but not something that requires raid level prep. Wrong audience SE.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Too much of a cat to bother reading the post history to see if this was the one I said this in previously.

The issue with the lack of "midcore" content in this game is a result of the part of the player base that is lazy and entitled. These people have basically attempted to drag every piece of content down to their level rather than learn about the game and improve themselves. The content labeled "hardcore" is simply the things they failed to grab on to because another part of the player base was there to smack their fingers with a meter stick when they tried grabbing on to it.

[BurningSoul]

I know this is a year old nearly, but no, you're not. A year later nothing has changed. my friends and I are doing AMR now and while it is a fun series of fights you're definitely gonna be putting more time into these than EX Trials. The midcore content was cut with Eureka/Bozja. I don't understand why we could not have casual, midcore, and hardcore content in the same expansion. It feels like the devs looked at what made SHB so successful as an expansion and just didn't want that to happen again twice in a row. I'm very much like you, I am midcore, but I lean towards EX and Savage (depending on if the rewards are worth the frustration to do while current, this tier was not imo). I saw Zepla's video featuring this content and had to find it to let you know you're not alone.

[Raven2014]

EX and Savage is pretty much the same difficulity nowdays..
So NO there is NO midcore content!

What ... ? I have to ask ... do you do either of the content? That is objectively not true at all. You're either ignorant of those content because you didn't play them. Or you're just straight up lying, or you hyperbolic so much that it looks no difference then lying.



- Casual: like 24man or normal raid. You can literally AFK the whole fight, and unless half of the raid decided to AFK like you, the fight will be cleared.

- Mid-core: like EX. Requires you to put in SOME effort in learning the fight, you still have a soft enrage that may requires you not to be EXTREMELY incompetent. But frankly, you don't even need to understand the fight fully, neither you need a mastery of you class. As long as you don't die every 30 seconds, and know how to press more than 1 button in your rotation ... you probably can clear. People regularly clear these fight despite 7/8 not knowing where to go and just follow a Doritos, or clear with deaths in the 2 digits. Most EX only have 1, or at most 2 mechanic that "your" mistake can result in someone else dying beside yourself, or raid wipe.

- None of that applied to savage fights, especially with the design philosophy of recent raids. Savage these days are designed a way that you pretty much have to learn every mechanic because RNG can assign you different parts of the same mechanic. You need to be decent with your rotation to have any hope to clear (unless you overgear the content). Like, the first floor can be forgiving (but Carbuncle shat on a lot of group), the seconds floor you can afford maybe a handful of deaths ... but usually by the third floor, up until the end of the first month, most PF groups can't afford having more than 2 deaths or they face enrage. And like the majority of the mechanics are set in a way if one person mess up, the chance of it wiping the entire raid is pretty high.



So if you think EX is as difficult as savage ... then yeah, no.

[WhataCrow]

I think if they try to split the MSQ trials to normal, hard and EX mode again, and lower the max ilvl than what they currently did (in hard mode) could be helpful, but sadly there's not much of them it seems

Eureka and Bozja could be quite midcore and interesting to those player who enjoy it, yet if you're not these type of player, it will not be interesting to you,
its independent leveling system is both blessing and curse (depend if it sound enjoyable to you), those who don't have private party will also affect their experiences
(it's not like "you MUST have a discord, FC, friends or belike, but there's fair chance you would find no one care about you or even raise you when you dead,
not to mention people who aren't very good at asking people for such.)

[Jirah]

shadowbringers I was too broodish to realize the content was good due to MCH getting decimated so missed out on the ladder half of
The Bozja content like dalriada. But EW has literally none rn your not stupid the content is just lacking

[ronibosch]

Y'know, I recently started noticing the lack of midcore content in this game as well when I picked it up again a couple of weeks ago.

I really want to start Savage one day (even started leveling up Savage-friendly jobs like GNB), but I'm too busy in my everyday life for the schedule that Savage requires.

Extreme trials and Bozja seem like decent challenges for midcore players, but are there anymore options?

[Zairava]

Y'know, I recently started noticing the lack of midcore content in this game as well when I picked it up again a couple of weeks ago.

I really want to start Savage one day (even started leveling up Savage-friendly jobs like GNB), but I'm too busy in my everyday life for the schedule that Savage requires.

Extreme trials and Bozja seem like decent challenges for midcore players, but are there anymore options?

Outside of potentially Eureka fitting that bill, there's unreal (which is just old ex's scaled up to current level cap currently), and..that's it.

We were hoping that criterion would around EX difficulty and then Criterion Savage would be savage content for the people who dig it going even further, but instead it's Variant(easy/normal mode) Criterion (savage) Criterion Savage (just savage again but even harder). So it didn't really perform what we were asking for difficulty-wise and doesn't have good rewards to back it up.

[ICountFrom0]

Not all the EX fights are the same "high end", and it's even a bit silly to call them "high end" when that contains savage and ultimate.

If you want something harder to work with, to bridge the gap, start with older EX fights. Not ANCIENT ones mind you, but earlier ones in the same expansion. Ones where your ilvl is capped out and you'll be a bit more powerful. More power gives you more room to make mistakes.

[CNitsah]

EX and Savage is pretty much the same difficulity nowdays..
So NO there is NO midcore content!

I'd say midcore content is not only about difficulty but also accessibility for the greater number of players. And the fact everyone consider you can't do extreme in pick up, I'd argue Extremes were never midcore content.

Their difficulty might be midtier, that doesn't make them midcore content. The whole argument of midcore content has nothing to do with the subject. Mid difficulty is what the game lacks. Midcore content is about content with high longevity for players that play more than the casuals, while not asking the lvl of commitment the hardcore content asks. Even if the difficulty is midtier, asking a player to have a static or making premade to progress in the content is not midcore content.