Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[R041]

Strange: Can you point to where in that thread I insulted Zepla?

You just mad you got, got and now you're playing coy.

[RitsukoSonoda]

16 100% feels like a game where all the decisions around its structure and content were made in 2009

The game is rigid, stale and plots like the bearer plotline feel like a first stab at a controversial topic back when social issues in video games that didn’t involve critiquing government structures wasn’t terribly common

The game just feels so dated

IMO with FF16. As a standalone game, it's not bad per say. It is lacking gameplay content as the area designs are very linear with game time heavily padded with cutscenes and exposition segments where control is taken away from the player. The story felt lacking which I felt was most likely due to Japanese writers trying to emulate western storytelling. It at least had the expected impressive visuals and music score. So overall again as a standalone game I didn't consider it bad. As a Final Fantasy mainline numbered entry however, I felt it fell short considerably and should have been at best a spinoff title.

[Noumenon]

16 100% feels like a game where all the decisions around its structure and content were made in 2009

The game is rigid, stale and plots like the bearer plotline feel like a first stab at a controversial topic back when social issues in video games that didn’t involve critiquing government structures wasn’t terribly common

The game just feels so dated

The gameplay is also awfully shallow, for an action game.

[AngelCheese77]

What posts are you referring to and from what user? Didnt know stuff has been touched from mods



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I had ended my time on page 136 before bed. There was only one post on that page.

Checking the next day, there was 138 pages and the post on 136 was found a page or 2 back. Meaning posts have been removed or deleted by moderators or the poster themselves.

[AngelCheese77]

What posts are you referring to and from what user? Didnt know stuff has been touched from mods

Last night I stopped on page 136 which had 1 post on it. Came bach this morning to 138 pages, and the past that was on 136 was found a page or 2 back. Which means posts have been deleted. (Sorry if double post. Forums being strange on my phone today with replies)

[ReynTime]

The crazy thing is for a bit I thought FFXVI was a good game... right up until Baldur's Gate 3 came along and blew it out of the water. FFXVI is still sort of ok in my book, but the depth of its plot and setting pales in comparison to BG3's by a huge margin.

BG3 is great but when people say that really makes me realise a lot of FF fans don't actually play other japanese RPGs. Because there was nothing original in XVI, and everything it borrowed from DMC's combat is executed with significantly less depth or flexibility.

Ever since XV all they do with FF is try to chase trends from games that were popular in the west, but barely scratch the surface of the features those popular games have that make them good. Final Fantasy hasn't been peak jRPG since XIII either.

[VentVanitas]

Seriously, I thought they learned their lesson. It makes CBU3 seem disconnected from current times. I mean, how many brooding FF protagonists with sad stories and heart breaking endings more do we need? They just slapped blood, sex and swearing on the FF name and turned it into a generic Hack and Slash. For all the hate FFVII Remake gets because of its awful final part, at least it actually turned the ATB system into an interesting action and RPG blend...

Okay this is gonna sound petty and purely my opinion but the """mature""" elements they added to XVI feel completely superficial, as if they based it on what a teenager considers mature, either that or their only understanding of the appeal of Game of Thrones is the gratuitous violence and sex. And before anyone calls me a weird sheltered mormon prude or whatever, I'm the biggest sailor mouth I know and the only reason why people don't witness it here is because I'm not risking a ban over an F bomb.

They just feel out of place given XVI's story is not really anymore mature or dark than any other mainline FF game (not saying that it needs to be to have sex/bloody violence/swearing of course, but there's a time and place for everything).

[RitsukoSonoda]

BG3 is great but when people say that really makes me realise a lot of FF fans don't actually play other japanese RPGs. Because there was nothing original in XVI, and everything it borrowed from DMC's combat is executed with significantly less depth or flexibility.

Ever since XV all they do with FF is try to chase trends from games that were popular in the west, but barely scratch the surface of the features those popular games have that make them good. Final Fantasy hasn't been peak jRPG since XIII either.

To me the peak entries of the FF main series were 4,5,6,and 9. 4,5,and 6 were made during the 16bit console era where visuals were still important, but weren't really able to be pushed to the point where a game could sell itself on visuals alone. The titles had to rely on the quality of story telling and gameplay mechanics in order to retain any kind of relevance in the JRPG market. Something that numerous companies understood at the time which resulted in a rather large assortment of JRPG franchises despite the genre remaining under the radar for most of the world outside of Japan at the time. 9 was the final entry in the PS1 era and hit a sort of return to form throwback to the series 8bit and 16 bit days which might have been due to the experimentation done with 8's gameplay backfiring heavily. 7 wasn't a bad entry tbh but I honestly feel the reason it's pushed up so much by people is because it was the first title SE put a fair amount of effort into marketing outside of Japan resulting in it being the first entry of the entire series or even the JRPG genre for a generation of gamers. Then the PS2 era hit and that felt like when the games started shifting more towards flash over substance. 10 wasn't bad however a noticeable amount of people felt playing Blitzball was more entertaining than the main game. 11 was it's first MMO entry and kind of backpedaled from the direction 10 took by saturating the title with things to do. 12 felt like the first push towards making a more action oriented JRPG and turned into a mostly solid entry. Then we hit the PS3 with 13 which felt like multiple steps were taken backwards in favor of a visual spectacle. The original 14 hit but struggled IMO primarily due to how the game was handled more than it's design, 15 hit which had a few things new to it but to many felt like SE trying to make their own version of something like Skyrim with an open world but as mentioned they only scratched the surface of what could be done with that style of game, then 14 ARR came about which was essentially rebuilding the game as a WoW clone while staying different enough that people don't refer to it as a WoW clone. And that brings us to 16 which pretty much threw away the series' entire identity as a JRPG franchise to give us a FF flavored DMC styled action game.

I don't have any issues with them making FF titles of other genres or styled after other titles. They've been doing it for quite awhile. However those titles weren't given mainline numbers in the franchise series.
Tactics
Chrystal Chronicles
Explorers
Fables
Mobius
Brave Exvius
Etc..

There was also the 3 Legend entries and Adventure but atm i cannot remember if that was just the names used to market the games in the west or if those were the original ones. The legend series titles are actually the first 3 entries in the SaGa series and Adventure was the start of the Mana series.

[Renathras]

You just mad you got, got and now you're playing coy.

Translation: You didn't, but I'm in too deep in my crusade against you to admit you are innocent of the crimes I'm using to justify my unfair and abysmal treatment of you.

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EDIT:

Don't want to dignify all this or this thread with a bump, so sticking it here:

Just act like a normal person, and you won't get called out - Kinda all there is to it. Also you @ me and I respond.

Define "normal person", but that's also irrelevant: People have accused me of something I literally didn't do. When I demand evidence - that they either justify the attack or realize it's wrong so my name is cleared - they refuse. Every one. Because it IS a lie and they/you all know it.

Yet it keeps happening. Over and over.

It's not normal to lie about people without evidence and then refuse to admit and apologize for it when called out.

And, yet again, I didn't have any "spite" in that discussion. And there was no "act"; I straight up said in the OP here - which I can link yet again for you to not read it again - that I agreed with most of what Zepla said in the video this thread is about. The ONLY thing I found fault with was what I perceived as her casting shade on the community and trying to preempt opposition viewpoints. That's it.

I've been far more unbiased than you or others have been, but even so, I didn't PRESENT myself, or "act like" I was. No where. So there's nothing to "own up" to as there was no "backtracking and lying". You have decided things were true that aren't. I'd ask you to show some proof of me doing so, but we both know either you won't show any or you'll present something you perceived as that which wasn't, and when I explain it wasn't, instead of admit you were wrong, will just accuse me of lying about it.

Okay, you must be joking. You can't honestly think that following a poster around and digging through their post history to make memes out of them for literally every comment they make is normal. Going so far to use internet archives to call them out on a changed post solely to mock them ISN'T normal.

The thing is, I don't even get it. R041 and I haven't interacted in any way I'm aware of, and given creation date and number of posts and writing style, he doesn't seem like he'd be an alt of someone else that WOULD have a grudge (Titan and Stormpeaks) that they want to attack me with. I genuinely don't get his crusade against me.

Wouldn't the very response you're talking about have already made clear simply that he just hadn't yet refreshed his tab? That's not exactly a deep dive through the interwebs...

It is worth noting that:

a) He only said that AFTER I noted it would be kind of stalkerish to take screenshots to use for future attacks, and,
b) He hasn't exactly been honest, like his refusal to provide evidence to justify his slander against me and trying to mask that with further attacks.

You aren't wrong. Not sure why every time Rentharis posts its some conversation for several pages about his posting style, things he posted in the past that have nothing to do with the current topic, or just random insults. Some I think are more on the forums for drama and insults than any real discussion I imagine.

Very much this.

It's especially jarring since I don't do that to other people in return. The only cases I have is when a certain someone wouldn't let things go and was still mostly to defend against him lying about me.

And it's "would be funny if it wasn't so sad" ironic when they accuse me of wanting to derail threads and shut people up when I'm the only one talking about the topic, they're all trying to derail it, and I'm trying to get them to engage on the topic (not shut them up) while they're trying to smother me into silence.

[R041]

Translation: You didn't, but I'm in too deep in my crusade against you to admit you are innocent of the crimes I'm using to justify my unfair and abysmal treatment of you.

Just act like a normal person, and you won't get called out - Kinda all there is to it. Also you @ me and I respond.

You can even call me out on memes anytime, and I have to accept that - Because it's the truth.

But if you want to have a discussion out of spite, and then put on an act like you're also the unbiased mediator.. Just own up to it, instead of backtracking and lying constantly.