Zepla: The Players Endwalker Left Behind

[CNitsah]

As much as I agreed nearly 100% on last week video, this one is supposed to be the one about cusuals, but it's about midcore players. Even if I agree with what she says about content for them (I don't play neither extreme or harder content because I don't like the idea of having to connect to for a raid, and organize myself around that), it's exactly what she said in the previous video. In FFXIV terms, midcore content is content that with a long shelf life with low barrier entry but no punishment to leave. Things she already talked about. That could be a difficulty between normal and Extreme, but even with that, if it's not doable in pickup and need premade to work well, it seems to me the problem gonna be the same.

Overall this one has a lot less meat than the previous one. A lot harder to watch, she circles around her point far too long before getting to it.

[WhataCrow]

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this may be controversial, but I think "casual content" is overall where you can be relaxed without have the possibility to getting other player's toxic intent or uncomfortable pressure,
such as msq, fates, hunts, grinding, crafting, fishing, housing, Gold Saucer, Mahjong, Triple Triad... etc. (in a non-objective sense, those activities that others may find boring, but you may enjoy)
ps: does relics / Big Fish / Jack of all card should count as midcore/hardcore of the casual? and I didn't mention mini-games, because their frequency of updates, depth and replayability is too low.

and midcore is something you can get through DF alone with 7 other players, or at least (you know it will) under 3 times tried (in theory)
they're mostly or totally blind, and might don't have well prepared equipment (yet mostly better than min ilvl), without guide macro (mainly refers to behavior that requires other player to "just" follow the script/guide)
ps: players who are unwilling to communicate or read chats may not be suitable for this consideration, as it will be a frustrating experience for both them and their teammates,
and yes, this consideration may be biased due to cultures, introverts, and pressure of the partying itself would already make players feel they MUST read the strategy or guide first before anything.

due to its punitive nature of gameplay and independent, I would say even Eureka/Bozja itself may not be a good casual content standard already, and I'm saying this as a Eureka enjoyer,
also same as how people don't like DD would not care about Eureka Orthos's innovate, I don't think other "Bozja 2.0" is Panacea.

[Elissar]

The game never teaches you an optimal rotation. And with some jobs, they're not exactly intuitive, either. I had to actively look for them and find resources outside the game. The really casual players won't think of doing that because they're here to have fun, not to study.

The game can't teach you muscular memory, just practice can do. As BLM, some players like to use ley libes at the middle of Golbez arena, i prefer to use it on the corner. No guide will make me prefer X or Y.

The casual player is also playing a MMORPG, researching for stuff is part of the immersion.

[Kuroka]

Maybe it's rose tinted goggles, but I remember being able to recover from deaths and clear, and now, they seem to have a lot more body checks that lead to wipes like Savages do and a lot more overlapping mechanics. I HAD to watch a guide for Ex5's big combo attack at the end because the X/Box expanding pattern just isn't visually obvious while also trying to deal with the stack/spread things. Extremes used to be more midcore content than they are now, so we had that bridge better in the past, even as recent as ShB. Emerald Weapon (the fight that is now Golbez) was hard, but that's because it hit hard. Other than the balls at the start, if you had a death or two, you could get those people back on their feet and keep going. If you're short a person in either Gales 2 or 3 or the meteor/flare/knockback (either one of them) or the skyfall thing then two man circles (that are immediately followed up by said body checks), then it's a wipe. In Emerald, if someone died to the sword cross attacks, you could raise them and you could survive the group stack marker that came after it even if down a person.

Thats so true... i dread that mechanic so much, will i stand right? might the player with the knockback be off? the other two dps? will the healer cleave us? or was someone dead and its over (unless you pull tank lb3)?
For savage this might be ok but on randoms... same as Flamespire followed by stack/spread... so many messed it up and wiped you.

If they wanna go the hard pass or die route, they need to remove the enrage or at least give us more time. I still feel if we manage to recover we deserve a chance to clear, even if it takes longer...

It always had their hard mechanics but lately its so... frustrating if you cant pass bc that one guy not being able to do a mechanic wiping us. I just feel it sucks you cant "carry" one over an mechanic until it finally clicks for him...

[WhataCrow]

The game never teaches you an optimal rotation. And with some jobs, they're not exactly intuitive, either. I had to actively look for them and find resources outside the game. The really casual players won't think of doing that because they're here to have fun, not to study.

The game can't teach you muscular memory, just practice can do. As BLM, some players like to use ley libes at the middle of Golbez arena, i prefer to use it on the corner. No guide will make me prefer X or Y.

The casual player is also playing a MMORPG, researching for stuff is part of the immersion.

in my humble opinion, it's more than casual, but simply what people enjoy with.
learning and improve, meta, optimization have no different while it's on the right person, instead, it's objective and personalized,
a self-willed process of discovering and understanding about game's detail of what they're interesting about.
and I think FF14 still have something can do indeed, such as shorten and improve roles' training, potency compare (single/aoe, no traits)...etc.

[Jirah]

Been saying this for years but glad someone with influence said it. So now the sheep can go think on it rather than keep quoting the same 4 counter claims

[Rolder50]

Been saying this for years but glad someone with influence said it. So now the sheep can go think on it rather than keep quoting the same 4 counter claims

Nah, the sheep will just dismiss her opinion because she is a content creator.

[AngelCheese77]

This is why I have always disliked the blanket titles of “casual” and “hardcore “.

I would consider myself a “hardcore” player as I’ve been around since 2.0, got many jobs to 90, a combat mentor, and much more. I do take breaks (mostly because of money issues) and I don’t do savage content because I know I can’t commit to such a thing.

I’m trying hard to understand the points being brought up but don’t seem to find the same when I play. It’s like I’m playing a different game. Maybe I haven’t reached that content or don’t do it? I don’t know.

[IckeDerTyp]

Influencer yuck

[VerdeLuck]

That's not wrong, Casual has been changed to be a pejorative meaning "person who sucks at the game" and hardcore meaning "person who poopsocks and no lifes the hardest content only".
Thats why it feels like everyone is clamoring for this midcore content even if what they really want based on what they say is casual/hardcore
Saying you want hardcore implies you want more nolife content like grinding ultimate 12 hours a day and saying you want casual content implies you want roulette spam and guaranteed clears with everything.