Why are standards seen as a crime in this game?

[Aldath]

Honestly I think people exaggerate how bad the average player is. Maybe it's my DC (Primal), but I rarely run into glue eaters and even those I've found are more often than not willing to learn and listen. Mind you, I'm still going through SB so it might change later.

[Anonemoose]

It's a crime to hold anybody to any sort of standard in this game for the same reason that you should remove any man or woman above the age of 25 from your life if they say they are not political or religious. It means they don't want to be held accountable to any sort of objective standard of morality, conduct and behavior. They just want to do whatever they like, whenever they like, and frankly you're the heckin evil nazirino for trying to tell them otherwise - even if it's good for them. They're going to be angry, bitter, sad, unhappy and alone and they are going to drag you down with them.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Standards are fine until they're being forced on other people. I've seen plenty of tanks try to demand their healer play a certain way and vise versa. I don't think this is some 1 sided issue.
I do wonder though, who decides what is "standard"?

[LinaAkayomi]

Why are standards a crime? Why do people think it's acceptable to waste everyone's time by wiping a raid repeatedly and when offered advice they respond with toxicity?

In short?
Because of the fakenice mentality that goes around in this game in general.
Be it fear of GMs actually punishing bad behavior, or some other thing(s), that's the main reason.
Everyone seems to put on a fake nice mask, and hide their true feelings/intentions for the most part, in a way that's very easy to tell. It's very easy to tell it's done just to avoid punishment rather than to be genuinely nice.
Compare it to other MMOs where they're very openly but honestly toxic, and the difference is night and day. Moreover, in toxic games, genuine kindness goes way further than in this game, filled with tons of fake nice people that only wanna toot their own horn and appear to be kind.

I'm not saying there aren't kind people in this game, far from it, but a good chunk of the playerbase very visibly 'forces' themselves to 'appear' nice. From this, everything else you mention stems. They're "nice" until you say something they don't like, then they take off their mask and show their true toxic colors.

[Rehayem]

Standards are fine until they're being forced on other people. I've seen plenty of tanks try to demand their healer play a certain way and vise versa. I don't think this is some 1 sided issue.
I do wonder though, who decides what is "standard"?

The game does. Square Enix does.

Orange marker = bad. People stand in the orange markers, but you learn early on it's bad. Wall 2 wall pulls are pretty standardized, I've mentioned this in another thread; there's always 2 packs of mobs before you hit a wall, and it's repeated over and over again. SE made this a standard, people fighting against this tend to be the most toxic players out there (in my experience so far, and no, new players don't count). 2 minutes metas is a standard made by CBU3. Healer's requirement to DPS is also a standard made by CBU3, because if if weren't, we'd actually see healers actually heal rather than press the same button for 20 minutes.

Game enables mediocrity and you will be ostracized and criticized for speaking against it. The majority of casual players are part of the same toxic cesspool, but they point their fingers at others for the same issues they're creating.

Many times I have encountered players that don't even do their 123 combo, and still get to clear the dungeon. If people find this "normal" or a "standard" at one point, we're in deep trouble.

[ValkyrieL]

Whomever necro this from 4 YEARS ago should get temp banned

[IkaraGreydancer]

The game does. Square Enix does.

Orange marker = bad. People stand in the orange markers, but you learn early on it's bad. Wall 2 wall pulls are pretty standardized, I've mentioned this in another thread; there's always 2 packs of mobs before you hit a wall, and it's repeated over and over again. SE made this a standard, people fighting against this tend to be the most toxic players out there (in my experience so far, and no, new players don't count). 2 minutes metas is a standard made by CBU3. Healer's requirement to DPS is also a standard made by CBU3, because if if weren't, we'd actually see healers actually heal rather than press the same button for 20 minutes.

Game enables mediocrity and you will be ostracized and criticized for speaking against it. The majority of casual players are part of the same toxic cesspool, but they point their fingers at others for the same issues they're creating.

Many times I have encountered players that don't even do their 123 combo, and still get to clear the dungeon. If people find this "normal" or a "standard" at one point, we're in deep trouble.

If so I don't recall SE saying wall to wall is the standard. Player force that on other players and often berate or kick if they don't adhere to it. Many here have admitted as such.
All this "you'll be criticized for speaking out against mediocrity" stuff just makes little sense to me. Can people respond bad to this stuff? Oh for sure. But I've been playing for years and been a mentor for much of it and have had this happen maybe 5 times. I've said many times here approach matters the most when it comes to these things. Many people say you can't speak, many people have no issues so that tells me there's a variable there one side might be missing.

Most casuals in my experience don't say much outside of hi or making jokes so idk how much that actually translates to the entire playerbase. Lastly you just claimed SE makes the standard no? So if players are able to get by in dungeons without even doing basic 123 combos (which I bet isn't most players) they're keeping to the standard SE set are they not? That literally means per SE that IS normal.
What you're advocating for is player made standard not SE standard. And with SEs standard player standard doesn't hold solid weight. Do I want to be with 1 button Cure 2 healers? Not really no, but they're keeping me up and thats all that's really required of them per how SE has designed the game/set the standard. Just how it is

Whomever necro this from 4 YEARS ago should get temp banned

Had no idea this was a necro post lol

[Darkobra]

It's a crime to hold anybody to any sort of standard in this game for the same reason that you should remove any man or woman above the age of 25 from your life if they say they are not political or religious.

I don't need a fairy tale to be my guiding star.

[Boblawblah]

I don't need a fairy tale to be my guiding star.

Feeling a bit euphoric are we?

[Rehayem]

Did or did I not say some take this bad? Let's not inflate a few bad situations with all or most of the playerbase.

W2W is standardized by players. ARR dungeons don't just let you run from start to boss. Hell Aurum Vale the infamous worst dungeon in ARR has walls in place til things like Malboros are killed.
The mobs are split up in the current day and can't be taken care of as is. Hell many trust runs are done fighting one mob at a time. SE not once says you HAVE to pull w2w. SE doesn't stop you or give you less for single mobs. Dame for it not giving you less for sticking to one button in dungeons. Pull that crap in Savage and that's your ass because the standard for Savage is different than Dungeons. You're right this isn't rocket science so I'd think you'd understand the difference. Also the silent folks are rpers? And we know this...how?

SE can't even program properly some things in the game without it crumbling like a sandcastle getting kicked by a toddler, so of course they can't program their own AI to use aoes on packs in trust or squadron. Don't bring savage into this discussion because we're talking about casual content, meaning dungeons that anybody can run. Savage is just a bad example you've put there and is a poor comparison.

Also, RPers don't come to forums to complain about anything, and in most cases they're more than fine with the current gameplay mechanics.