Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Lauront]

It comes back to it becuase there's whining about something that if you look at the data, is not any different than its been in the past. The only difference between endwalker and SHB in terms of patch content so far has really been they replaced the Bozja equivalent with V/C dungeons and Island Sanctuary.
Which is why going way back to my original post in this thread, I think it's a case of people just parroting the streamer's opinion that game is bad, especially since the video linked was formatted and presented in a clickbait way.

It just seems like it's an excuse to trot out the "toxic casualism" bogeyman these forums have used for years at this point, and point to that as why you're specifically not having fun in this game. It's the toxic casuals who are preventing this game from being good, because they, idk what. Shield SE from seeing criticism? Stay subbed even when you're not having fun? IDK.

But the streamer didn't say that and you just seem to be repeating the point that the amount of content is the same (depends on point of comparison), when the common complaint is about how it's implemented (e.g. trial series being baked into MSQ)/its longevity (and in some cases, the lack of a will to innovate on the existing formula... stuff that is initially enjoyable can grow stale eventually.) You can see e.g. here, here, here or here that these complaints have been persistent. If anything, it is the streamer which is channelling community opinion. So I think you need to retire that claim.

[ZephyrMenodora]

The survey speaks for itself.

Muh mounts
Muh minions
Muh main aetheryte

that's it, that's the survey.

Another overly unfair and negative post from Alexia!

You forgot "Muh NPC". *snickers*

[Stormpeaks]

Another overly unfair and negative post from Alexia!

You forgot "Muh NPC". *snickers*

Hey that is true, there's a question about the story too!

I forgot about that one

[Thurmnmurmn]

Doubt anyone will see this as it will get lost in this thread pretty fast but.
I use to complain a lot about the negativity in these forums. You know what that does? Creates discussions/arguments like in this thread.
If people want to be negative, just don't engage with them. The moment you engage you create the circling conversations we always see. And this applies to whatever of the two sides you stand on.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Doubt anyone will see this as it will get lost in this thread pretty fast but.
I use to complain a lot about the negativity in these forums. You know what that does? Creates discussions/arguments like in this thread.
If people want to be negative, just don't engage with them. The moment you engage you create the circling conversations we always see. And this applies to whatever of the two sides you stand on.

I think one issue is confusing constructive feedback with negativity. Lack of long-term goals in EW isn't necessarily negative. If anything it should be viewed as helpful info.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I think one issue is confusing constructive feedback with negativity. Lack of long-term goals in EW isn't necessarily negative. If anything it should be viewed as helpful info.

Yeah, I agree. I just said negativity since that's how some view it.

I just meant for those complaining about negativity in the forums when complaining about the post is what sets off a lot of actual negative conversations.

Sorry if I suck at explaining myself. English isn't my first language.

[Themarvin]

This is a subscription based game. You acknowledge that this is a subscription based game.

If every expansion were to have the same exact lackluster content longevity as Endwalker, we could all just wait until X.5 and get through all of it before the next expansion launch.

Now imagine everyone who was unhappy with the current expansion, waited to buy the expansion and subbed for several months then quit when the next expansion launched. How much profit do you think they would lose?

Now tell me. Is that something you would want to hinder the game's ability to improve? Because people like you completely ignore a dedicated part of the playerbase?

But you don't realize the time it take to develop games and content, as well as the people needed for it, you could get 10x the content we get now, but the subscription fee would then have to be 100 dollars per month.

If you look back in time old for old MMORPGs... they had similar cost per month... now 20 years+ later the subscription fee is more or less the same, but inflation and the likes has kicked in, so you are paying less than what you did in the past.

Mention any of the expansion that had a better span in time with the exception of 2.0 of course, due to that was re-building the game.

YOu did not get much more in HW, SB, SHB nor EW, you got some additional modes, and still as of games like this, it does not always round up around the max ilevel and the previous content is still worth playing as well.

As said before you will run into a drought, no matter what and the players is not ready to pay the increased subscription fee that is long over due.

[Zairava]

But you don't realize the time it take to develop games and content

Mention any of the expansion that had a better span in time with the exception of 2.0 of course, due to that was re-building the game.

YOu did not get much more in HW, SB, SHB nor EW, you got some additional modes, and still as of games like this, it does not always round up around the max ilevel and the previous content is still worth playing as well.

As said before you will run into a drought, no matter what

I'm just going to give you what I just said to Verde as a quote, but it essentially would be the same exact response. Which is something that I and multiple others have stated a frustrating amount of times.

What I will add to this is that no, I don't. The bare minimum is I know that making games is hard. That's the coldest an ice cold take can get. I'm not here debating the amount of content.

I mean at this point I don't think you'll ever get the point we are trying to make here.

The content exists. There is literally no way to dispute that. The problem is there is no reason to do it unlike Bozja.

Bozja/Eureka at least has a playerbase, criterion doesn't because there's literally no reason to go back and do it. You could even just buy the mounts off the marketboard if you really wanted and could afford it.

If you look back in time old for old MMORPGs... they had similar cost per month... now 20 years+ later the subscription fee is more or less the same, but inflation and the likes has kicked in, so you are paying less than what you did in the past.
As said before you will run into a drought, no matter what and the players is not ready to pay the increased subscription fee that is long over due.

I've been playing MMO's for 11 years counting now. You don't need to tell me about sub costs.

That being said, how badly do you seriously need to grasp at straws? They add to the cash shop near monthly and you're gonna sit here and spout that we should be paying more when we have no good incentives to run the new content they're bringing to the game, despite giving feedback that they still haven't commented on?

[Themarvin]

Funny you mention these things because guess what, I did both. I created a Ren faire with a DnD system for jousting. Here’s your proof
https://mabonatthemeadows.carrd.co/

I cleared all coils at minimum ilvl but what would you know as taking you at your own words towards other posters, “you’re only someone who started playing in 2016.”

So my opinion is automatically more valuable than yours right? This is what you implied wasn’t it?

Because it is too easy to say that there is nothing much to do after they invented the story/level pas.

[Stormpeaks]

I'm just going to give you what I just said to Verde as a quote, but it essentially would be the same exact response. Which is something that I and multiple others have stated a frustrating amount of times

The second someone brings up inflation as a justification for the game having no content, you already know its clownery