Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Shurrikhan]

If you look back in time old for old MMORPGs... they had similar cost per month... now 20 years+ later the subscription fee is more or less the same, but inflation and the likes has kicked in, so you are paying less than what you did in the past.

You say this like MMOs haven't found other ways to make up the difference (such as microtransactions) and, despite the comparative market saturation since those times making things harder on such projects, mid- or lower-ranking MMOs (in terms of active player counts, insofar as we can know) still having equal or greater profitability than before. We'd seen even since the likes of Maple Story and Dungeon Fighter Online that subscriptions themselves have usually been a lesser driver of profits than alternative means of revenue.

[Thurmnmurmn]

But you don't realize the time it take to develop games and content, as well as the people needed for it, you could get 10x the content we get now, but the subscription fee would then have to be 100 dollars per month.

If you look back in time old for old MMORPGs... they had similar cost per month... now 20 years+ later the subscription fee is more or less the same, but inflation and the likes has kicked in, so you are paying less than what you did in the past.

Mention any of the expansion that had a better span in time with the exception of 2.0 of course, due to that was re-building the game.

YOu did not get much more in HW, SB, SHB nor EW, you got some additional modes, and still as of games like this, it does not always round up around the max ilevel and the previous content is still worth playing as well.

As said before you will run into a drought, no matter what and the players is not ready to pay the increased subscription fee that is long over due.

The cost of the sub would matter if it wasn't for the cash shop. The addition of the cash shop kinda stumps your point.

The main complain is that there's no replayability to EW content. Not that there's none/less.

[Themarvin]

The second someone brings up inflation as a justification for the game having no content, you already know its clownery

Well it does cost money and the likes to develop games, and one of the rough things in a business is the soaring wages that have to increase as well, on top of that you need to add growth to the company, if you just keep on undermining the income with inflation and getting lesser in, then it will be more difficult build upon your project, because you would need to save on things, which is lesser staff and more.

It is a very good argument, however they did have an increase in people buying the game and adding to its subscription, so it may not be now, that you would see the problem, but people will get mad at the point it will have to rise to 18-20bucks per month.

Wages usually follow the path of inflation more or less, and usually is the biggest expense for most companies world wide.

[Stormpeaks]

Well it does cost money and the likes to develop games, and one of the rough things in a business is the soaring wages that have to increase as well, on top of that you need to add growth to the company, if you just keep on undermining the income with inflation and getting lesser in, then it will be more difficult build upon your project, because you would need to save on things, which is lesser staff and more.

It is a very good argument, however they did have an increase in people buying the game and adding to its subscription, so it may not be now, that you would see the problem, but people will get mad at the point it will have to rise to 18-20bucks per month.

Wages usually follow the path of inflation more or less, and usually is the biggest expense for most companies world wide.

Yes I know Square Enix is a small indie company, I know

[Rolder50]

But you don't realize the time it take to develop games and content, as well as the people needed for it, you could get 10x the content we get now, but the subscription fee would then have to be 100 dollars per month.

If you look back in time old for old MMORPGs... they had similar cost per month... now 20 years+ later the subscription fee is more or less the same, but inflation and the likes has kicked in, so you are paying less than what you did in the past.

Mention any of the expansion that had a better span in time with the exception of 2.0 of course, due to that was re-building the game.

YOu did not get much more in HW, SB, SHB nor EW, you got some additional modes, and still as of games like this, it does not always round up around the max ilevel and the previous content is still worth playing as well.

As said before you will run into a drought, no matter what and the players is not ready to pay the increased subscription fee that is long over due.

I think the issue with EW is a matter of priorities and design decisions. For priorities, they are laser focusing on new player stuff like trust dungeon compatibility at the expense of their veterans. For design decisions, the stuff they HAVE made has zero staying power; you do it once in an afternoon and that's it for 4 months.

[Vahlnir]

I think the issue with EW is a matter of priorities and design decisions. For priorities, they are laser focusing on new player stuff like trust dungeon compatibility at the expense of their veterans. For design decisions, the stuff they HAVE made has zero staying power; you do it once in an afternoon and that's it for 4 months.

Pretty much. I mean, I get wanting to overhaul the new player experience a bit. After this long, it was all but necessary. But as you said, they are kind of forgetting about those who've been around a while that want something to do for more than a day. Island Sanctuary has been okay, in my opinion, but I know it is flawed and understand why a lot of other people might not enjoy it. The main problem is that they aren't even trying to strike a balance.

[Renathras]

This thread...

/facepalm

[Thurmnmurmn]

This thread...

/facepalm

I've actually been watching the thread every now and then to see patterns. What I've noticed is that it quiets down until someone comes in to dismiss everyone's complaints. Then it starts up again.
Those opposing the thread are the ones who keep re igniting it.

[Bonoki]

The thread is so long now, that if the last post I read is 4+ pages back now, I don't even read what I missed anymore and only read the current page.

[Remember_The_Name]

Well it does cost money and the likes to develop games, and one of the rough things in a business is the soaring wages that have to increase as well, on top of that you need to add growth to the company, if you just keep on undermining the income with inflation and getting lesser in, then it will be more difficult build upon your project, because you would need to save on things, which is lesser staff and more.

Stop right there. I am calling BS. I read the very exact statement on Overwatch 2 forum, where people were trying to defend Blizzard for making this garbage of a game.

The moment people starts arguing about money - they are out of proper arguments. FFXIV hard carried SE through their NFT controversy and multiple failed games.
They are interested in keeping this game alive, so they are leaping out of all possible bounds to make this game as accessible as possible to get more subs.

But they are doing it horribly wrong. Tuning up the game for accessibility turned into straight dumbing down content, jobs, duites, etc etc.
And because they know that the majority of their players are Mare addicts or venue goers (or both) - they are completely okay with doing that. People will even defend and praise them for it, lmao.

I don't mind the game being more open to players who wants to solo the MSQ, but outside of it - remember that this is a freaking MMORPG, not a bleeding visual novel with some side content.