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  1. #11
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    Strife Duskblade
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    If you can't press 3 gcd's in 10 seconds, or time LD correctly in P12S then that sounds like a skill issue.

    It's actually impossible to die using LD now.

    Only downside to LD is that it's not great on slow 3+ hit busters, even then it's because the final hit of them hits you after the lifesteal wears off, so you need a small extra heal - But Holmgang and Bolide have that same issue anyway.
    Hi, Living Dead requires 4 GCDs to heal yourself out of it, unless you crit then its 3 assuming the other 2 are non-crits. Please read the tooltips lol. No other tank or dps for that matter deals with a server tick or GCD timer issue like a DRK does, especially Warriors with a 4 minute, spammable invuln on P11S for each main TB.

    If your referring also to something like the P10S buster, you simply use one mitigation and soak 3 hits, proccing LD on the third, which means you then heal yourself entirely without healer intervention unless you have a GCD timer.

    Another example of jank, I am doing the Zadnor duels atm, Bloodsucker is not viable to use because its too low damage and also a waste of holster space if you use it just for that mechanic, but because of having increased HP in Zadnor due to the mettle buffs, your Living Dead will eventually not save you at all, because whilst your HP increase, the healing from LD does not - its not %based its a flat cure potency scaled to level, so you will indeed die unless you use something like a potion kit on top, no other tank has this kind of jank design problem.
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  2. #12
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    Lucretia Ryusagi
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrifeBlade View Post
    Doing duels in Zadnor and taking a buster to the face, or dying to P12S lazy lasers strat because of timing + Living Dead mechanic is ridiculous, you need at least 1 oGCD from a healer just to be safe incase of a bad GCD tick, like jesus christ.
    You are trying to cheese an easy mechanic and complain? just play the mechanic its not hard. and in zadnor, pick warrior, it is the best by far.
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  3. #13
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by StrifeBlade View Post
    Please either increase the timer to heal yourself, or rework the spell again. Dying because you press a GCD a split second before hitting 0 HP is insane, why cant you just give DRK a normal invuln like basically any other tank? absolutely insane.

    Doing duels in Zadnor and taking a buster to the face, or dying to P12S lazy lasers strat because of timing + Living Dead mechanic is ridiculous, you need at least 1 oGCD from a healer just to be safe incase of a bad GCD tick, like jesus christ.
    First of all, if you can't 100% yourself with 4 GCDs, get more Determination and/or Skillspeed instead of Direct Hit. Hold your GCD if you think it matters. Chances are if you die by failing LD's healcheck by yourself you aren't good at optimizing your damage either so Direct Hit will fundamentally not matter anymore.

    Second, don't do Lazy Lasers. Especially not when holding enmity #1. Tell your Parties to stop being twats and learn the easiest mech in the fight. If they can do Superchains and Para 3 then they can do Para 1.

    Third, if you die to Bozja or Zadnor busters in a duel you should blame your lack of planning and not Living Dead. Auto Potion can be applied pre-fight and will help you a significant amount if you run Martialist instead of Bloodsucker. You also can just choose to HOLD Tincture use until you cleared mechs where you need healing for Living Dead using more Auto Potions or Lost Elixir, especially with Valor buffs. Or you know, get Zadnor Heal buff stacks, that works for Living Dead.

    Barring moments where I simply cant attack due to stuns or lack of a target, I have never died with post 6.1 Living Dead by failing the heal check. The invuln is seriously good, the death penalty is difficult to get if you just play normally. Half the time I heal out of it in two weaponskills due to Crits.
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  4. #14
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    And here come the gatekeeping Warrior mains, explaining why your jank needs to stay so they can feel special.
    Or, hear me out - DRK mains who tell other DRK mains that they need to stop blaming their tools for their lack of problemsolving.

    LD's death penalty for failing heal check is so laughabky ignorable, the real edge WAR has is Holmgang being a minute less on CD.
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  5. #15
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    I would say the bigger issue with Living Dead in Bozja content is that its healing doesnt really scale if you have any HP increasing effects from an action/essense or Resistance Honors.

    Luckily once you max out healing stacks it does catch up to any scenario, including the DRN/S Indomidable + 10 HP stacks. but it is pretty easy to make Living dead not work in Bozja unless you're specifically building that up.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I would say the bigger issue with Living Dead in Bozja content is that its healing doesnt really scale if you have any HP increasing effects from an action/essense or Resistance Honors.

    Luckily once you max out healing stacks it does catch up to any scenario, including the DRN/S Indomidable + 10 HP stacks. but it is pretty easy to make Living dead not work in Bozja unless you're specifically building that up.
    It do be like that yeah. May be worth the investment if one prioritizes Tincture over Potion Kit / Elixir. Damage can be levelled at leisure but HP boost and Heal boost should rise equally to ensure less hiccups with LD.
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    Kevin Foobar
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    Fisher Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    And here come the gatekeeping Warrior mains, explaining why your jank needs to stay so they can feel special.
    Just wait for the tears of rage when they get nerfed to oblivion.
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  8. #18
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    It's actually impossible to die using LD now..
    It's legit possible, if you're unlucky LD can pop at a bad GCD timing and if it doesn't crit, you'll be short a few HP.
    It's a very rare case but I've experienced it and I was asked to throw a Aurora/Corundum to avoid this problem.

    DRK just needs a bit more self healing, it's really a ridiculously short amount.
    In lower level content, your crit rate is also reduced, as well with your det stat.

    Other than that, Living Dead is excellent and don't need to be changed. Please don't give DRK a "normal invuln ike the other tanks", remember we're also complaining that tanks feels too similar.
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  9. #19
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    It's legit possible, if you're unlucky LD can pop at a bad GCD timing and if it doesn't crit, you'll be short a few HP.
    It's a very rare case but I've experienced it and I was asked to throw a Aurora/Corundum to avoid this problem.

    DRK just needs a bit more self healing, it's really a ridiculously short amount.
    In lower level content, your crit rate is also reduced, as well with your det stat.

    Other than that, Living Dead is excellent and don't need to be changed. Please don't give DRK a "normal invuln like the other tanks", remember we're also complaining that tanks feels too similar.
    Assuming you are keeping the GCD rolling, you need 4 weaponskills at absolute most to get you out of Walking Dead healer-free.

    If you didn't heal yourself out of it in that time frame you either had Weakness / Brink of Death at which point your healer should be aware of it in the first place or your substats consist of basically near 0 determination / tenacity and you built Crit + DH + Skill Speed exclusively and got incredibly unlucky. Given that this is currently impossible since gear is designed to throw Crit-Det and Crit-Ten in our face while avoiding to ever give us Crit-SkS (screw you, seriously SE) this is unlikely. Given any content where you seriously might need Living Dead has a Regen + Shield Healer, you likely have a Faerie or Kardia healing you over time as well.

    4x 1500 heal potency, even if you pressed your previous GCD at a bad timing, is enough. you can easily hit 4 GCDs in 10s.
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  10. #20
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrifeBlade View Post
    Hi, Living Dead requires 4 GCDs to heal yourself out of it, unless you crit then its 3 assuming the other 2 are non-crits. Please read the tooltips lol. No other tank or dps for that matter deals with a server tick or GCD timer issue like a DRK does, especially Warriors with a 4 minute, spammable invuln on P11S for each main TB.

    If your referring also to something like the P10S buster, you simply use one mitigation and soak 3 hits, proccing LD on the third, which means you then heal yourself entirely without healer intervention unless you have a GCD timer.

    Another example of jank, I am doing the Zadnor duels atm, Bloodsucker is not viable to use because its too low damage and also a waste of holster space if you use it just for that mechanic, but because of having increased HP in Zadnor due to the mettle buffs, your Living Dead will eventually not save you at all, because whilst your HP increase, the healing from LD does not - its not %based its a flat cure potency scaled to level, so you will indeed die unless you use something like a potion kit on top, no other tank has this kind of jank design problem.
    Considering all other stats of Living Dead (5min is still short) and even ignoring the likelihood of a single Shield healer being present (Faerie, Kardia) let alone an AOE regen or a Healer having the awareness to give you a single heal, 4 GCDs are easy to hit. If for any reason you fail to do 4 GCDs, either stop being greedy and just hold your GCD for a moment or stop playing at 2.50s speed. The healcheck is a genuine non-issue.

    As for your Zadnor example, if you decided to boost HP and can't use it there to heal yourself out of it, then do one of the following:
    • Pre-apply Auto-Potion with Potion Kit or use it / Lost Elixir midway. This requires you to not open with STR Tincture, but if you are complaining about Zadnor HP buff ruining your LD, you likely have Zadnor DMG buffs.
    • Have Lost Slash or Lost Assassination in your holster and overwrite an action that's already on cooldown (they count as Weaponskills)
    • Don't use Living Dead and just bite the bullet using Lost Manawall instead
    • Just get yourself an equal amount of Zadnor Heal buff to your HP buff...
    • Play Warrior
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