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    Q'hahtoa Quah
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrifeBlade View Post
    Please either increase the timer to heal yourself, or rework the spell again. Dying because you press a GCD a split second before hitting 0 HP is insane, why cant you just give DRK a normal invuln like basically any other tank? absolutely insane.

    Doing duels in Zadnor and taking a buster to the face, or dying to P12S lazy lasers strat because of timing + Living Dead mechanic is ridiculous, you need at least 1 oGCD from a healer just to be safe incase of a bad GCD tick, like jesus christ.
    If you can't press 3 gcd's in 10 seconds, or time LD correctly in P12S then that sounds like a skill issue.

    It's actually impossible to die using LD now.

    Only downside to LD is that it's not great on slow 3+ hit busters, even then it's because the final hit of them hits you after the lifesteal wears off, so you need a small extra heal - But Holmgang and Bolide have that same issue anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    If you can't press 3 gcd's in 10 seconds, or time LD correctly in P12S then that sounds like a skill issue.

    It's actually impossible to die using LD now.

    Only downside to LD is that it's not great on slow 3+ hit busters, even then it's because the final hit of them hits you after the lifesteal wears off, so you need a small extra heal - But Holmgang and Bolide have that same issue anyway.
    Zurvan Unreal puts you in a situation where its impossible to resolve Living Dead on your own without a crit.

    Saying its impossible is a lie, unlikely, but not impossible.
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    Nah ain't gonna happen LD is easy to use and broken
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Zurvan Unreal puts you in a situation where its impossible to resolve Living Dead on your own without a crit.

    Saying its impossible is a lie, unlikely, but not impossible.
    I just fail to understand why you would need to resolve the healing part of LD on your own unless you're trying to solo some sort of content you aren't meant to be doing solo in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I just fail to understand why you would need to resolve the healing part of LD on your own unless you're trying to solo some sort of content you aren't meant to be doing solo in the first place.
    I guess the bigger question would be why does DRK have to do this when the other tanks dont, it be fine if there was a notable benefit to it, but there isn't.

    I dont hate LD as it is now, but I'm not going to act like its flawless.
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I guess the bigger question would be why does DRK have to do this when the other tanks dont, it be fine if there was a notable benefit to it, but there isn't.

    I dont hate LD as it is now, but I'm not going to act like its flawless.
    I suppose the idea is the Invuln having nearly as low of a cooldown as Holmgang while not requiring other tools from the kit to get out of a 1HP state. Hallowed and Superbolide provide true invulns, but the former's CD is very lengthy placed in a kit with inherently good survival and ok damage, where Bolide does put you low there you might need to burn or pre time Heart of Corundum (Lv90 only).

    So LD having a fairly low CD for an invuln with essentially a built in Benediction, made up with a kit that most likely invalidates every other bit of damage you might take, especially magical, not so well on multi hit busters tho. Your only requirement is that you WILL use the heal where other tanks can choose to stay low. Dunno, I see it as an optimizer's heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    It's actually impossible to die using LD now..
    It's legit possible, if you're unlucky LD can pop at a bad GCD timing and if it doesn't crit, you'll be short a few HP.
    It's a very rare case but I've experienced it and I was asked to throw a Aurora/Corundum to avoid this problem.

    DRK just needs a bit more self healing, it's really a ridiculously short amount.
    In lower level content, your crit rate is also reduced, as well with your det stat.

    Other than that, Living Dead is excellent and don't need to be changed. Please don't give DRK a "normal invuln ike the other tanks", remember we're also complaining that tanks feels too similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    It's legit possible, if you're unlucky LD can pop at a bad GCD timing and if it doesn't crit, you'll be short a few HP.
    It's a very rare case but I've experienced it and I was asked to throw a Aurora/Corundum to avoid this problem.

    DRK just needs a bit more self healing, it's really a ridiculously short amount.
    In lower level content, your crit rate is also reduced, as well with your det stat.

    Other than that, Living Dead is excellent and don't need to be changed. Please don't give DRK a "normal invuln like the other tanks", remember we're also complaining that tanks feels too similar.
    Assuming you are keeping the GCD rolling, you need 4 weaponskills at absolute most to get you out of Walking Dead healer-free.

    If you didn't heal yourself out of it in that time frame you either had Weakness / Brink of Death at which point your healer should be aware of it in the first place or your substats consist of basically near 0 determination / tenacity and you built Crit + DH + Skill Speed exclusively and got incredibly unlucky. Given that this is currently impossible since gear is designed to throw Crit-Det and Crit-Ten in our face while avoiding to ever give us Crit-SkS (screw you, seriously SE) this is unlikely. Given any content where you seriously might need Living Dead has a Regen + Shield Healer, you likely have a Faerie or Kardia healing you over time as well.

    4x 1500 heal potency, even if you pressed your previous GCD at a bad timing, is enough. you can easily hit 4 GCDs in 10s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Assuming you are keeping the GCD rolling, you need 4 weaponskills at absolute most to get you out of Walking Dead healer-free.

    If you didn't heal yourself out of it in that time frame you either had Weakness / Brink of Death at which point your healer should be aware of it in the first place or your substats consist of basically near 0 determination / tenacity and you built Crit + DH + Skill Speed exclusively and got incredibly unlucky. Given that this is currently impossible since gear is designed to throw Crit-Det and Crit-Ten in our face while avoiding to ever give us Crit-SkS (screw you, seriously SE) this is unlikely. Given any content where you seriously might need Living Dead has a Regen + Shield Healer, you likely have a Faerie or Kardia healing you over time as well.

    4x 1500 heal potency, even if you pressed your previous GCD at a bad timing, is enough. you can easily hit 4 GCDs in 10s.
    It happened to me in DSR after the very last tether tank-buster in P3, you just couldn't have a weakness debuff or that was a wipe there. There's no required healing after that, I haven't played DRK since.
    Since all TB applied a dot in savage, I would always throw a aurora to my DRK OT and there was Kardia, so I haven't witnessed it in Abyssos.
    It also happened in TOP to my DRK partner on P1 lasers where we just stand in front and that's where I was tasked to throw aurora. You can't have weakness debuff here either, our SCH fairy probably targeted me as I was a GNB and lower on HP due to bolide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    It happened to me in DSR after the very last tether tank-buster in P3, you just couldn't have a weakness debuff or that was a wipe there. There's no required healing after that, I haven't played DRK since.
    Since all TB applied a dot in savage, I would always throw a aurora to my DRK OT and there was Kardia, so I haven't witnessed it in Abyssos.
    It also happened in TOP to my DRK partner on P1 lasers where we just stand in front and that's where I was tasked to throw aurora. You can't have weakness debuff here either, our SCH fairy probably targeted me as I was a GNB and lower on HP due to bolide.
    Yep, the common issue here is defo Weakness. So when that occurs the healers or potentially the co-tank need to assist. Beyond that, Living Dead is extremely fine though.
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