People are all so bored of the game and playing BG3

[Atelier-Bagur]

Your point “focus on other parts of the game” is a big one

I’m a legacy player, now sure the argument exists that “they can’t keep making new content forever for old players” but I’ve done everything in this game over the 13 years I’ve played it, and I do not no life this game, the only new content I get is the pathetic patch content they give once per 5 months, I don’t have a long backlog to fall back on like people who started in EW

In answer to your question which I know you don’t like is Bozja, Bozja had something for everyone and it kept people engaged during the 5.55 lull, it wasn’t perfect but it could both be grinded (emblazoned) or just casually interacted with (dalriada, levelling alt classes), more content like that that doesn’t die on patch because it only really can be done once is what I want

I see what you mean but theres some flaws with your Bozja point. One are the leveling alt classes. This is not a good point since getting to max level is very easy and quickly to do thanks to roulettes and doing your highest level dungeon to grind it out. So the leveling aspect doesnt last for very long. Besides, we now have an alternative for this in EW with Eureka Orthos where players can also level alt classes there.

And as a casual player, most of that journey ended with the quest story in Bozja. You only needed to do CLL and Dalriada once to progress through that campaign. The only reason to grind it out being for extra relics which falls into that arbritrary padded out garbage that I dislike.

At this point in time on my main, Ive pretty much done everything major I wanted to do. Sure theres some extra grinds that I could shoot for if Im that desperate for retention but I dont since I dont want to waste my time for something that Im not that set out to complete.

Its just a reality with veteran players in MMOs that they have to soon face. If the game tries very hard to cater to the veterans and keep them retained then it hurts the game overall because itll fall in that never ending wheel that isnt satisfying or fun. We've seen big examples with this with Blizzard or Smilegate trying to do just that and it just failed with the general audience.

I wish this game added more activities per patch but not just one big activity that needs to be grinded out for like Bozja and Eureka. I dont want having to do homework in this game.

[Supersnow845]

I see what you mean but theres some flaws with your Bozja point. One are the leveling alt classes. This is not a good point since getting to max level is very easy and quickly to do thanks to roulettes and doing your highest level dungeon to grind it out. So the leveling aspect doesnt last for very long. Besides, we now have an alternative for this in EW with Eureka Orthos where players can also level alt classes there.

And as a casual player, most of that journey ended with the quest story in Bozja. You only needed to do CLL and Dalriada once to progress through that campaign. The only reason to grind it out being for extra relics which falls into that arbritrary padded out garbage that I dislike.

At this point in time on my main, Ive pretty much done everything major I wanted to do. Sure theres some extra grinds that I could shoot for if Im that desperate for retention but I dont since I dont want to waste my time for something that Im not that set out to complete.

Its just a reality with veteran players in MMOs that they have to soon face. If the game tries very hard to cater to the veterans and keep them retained then it hurts the game overall because itll fall in that never ending wheel that isnt satisfying or fun. We've seen big examples with this with Blizzard or Smilegate trying to do just that and it just failed with the general audience.

I wish this game added more activities per patch but not just one big activity that needs to be grinded out for like Bozja and Eureka. I dont want having to do homework in this game.

EO is absolutely garbage as a class leveller, but regardless I feel like you are exhibiting a double standard here

“I don’t want to grind but also grinding alt classes is too quick because you can grind them on roulettes”, Bozja was a valid way to grind alt classes and that was a valid way for a casual to interact with it, same as you saying “you only did dal once” but what in EW took the amount of time to complete DAL even if you left and never returned after clearing Dal, there was just so much content even if you only interacted with it on the surface level

WOW’s problem (which was also wildstars problem) is they forced you to interact with long repetitive systems to progress at endgame (torghast for example); what is the harm in making another Bozja that is not required for progression (potentially having a fully optional relic progression through it), for people like you who view it as “homework” you can just ignore it, for people who want midcore grindable endgame content it exists and like eureka they could just tie glams and money to it

There is never a downside to optional grindy content, EW just misses the mark because IS can’t be forced and automates itself and EO offers absolutely nothing over HOH/POTD and the community of DD grinders is vanishingly small compared to any other type of grindable endgame content

Your argument seems to centre on “if the content doesn’t suit my tastes I’d rather there be no content” which at best is misinformed and at worst is selfish