People are all so bored of the game and playing BG3

[VelKallor]

You also dont play anything remotely challenging in FFXIV, so yeah there's that.

Define "remotely challenging". Or are we back to your earlier meme that if you dont do extreme and savage you arent "playing the game at all'?..oh wait, as I recall you deny ever saying that.

So which is it?

[Jin-]

BG3 has a great player retention. Usually games drop most of their players in a couple of days.

[VelKallor]

You also claim that a big benefit of 14 is it doesn’t have FOMO

Never said that.

why should you care if more content is released, you can do it in 5 years when you’ve played everything else anyway

Thats its best facet, Super. New players dont come in and find that content gone orf deleted. That, btw, was what I ACTUALLY said. If you are going to quote me, do so accurately and dont put words in my mouth please

Again

Define "remotely challenging"

If the content doesn’t get deleted and is evergreened and you can enter and leave 14 at will based on your own standards why do people who use the “play other games” argument oppose more new content so strongly

Since I have never ever done or said anything of the sort, you are asking the wrong person.

[Supersnow845]

Never said that.



Thats its best facet, Super. New players dont come in and find that content gone orf deleted. That, btw, was what I ACTUALLY said. If you are going to quote me, do so accurately and dont put words in my mouth please

“I didn’t say 14 doesn’t have FOMO what I actually said was 14 doesn’t have FOMO, don’t put words in my mouth”

Okay so we’ve established I quoted you accurately, now you can actually answer the question

If the content doesn’t get deleted and is evergreened and you can enter and leave 14 at will based on your own standards why do people who use the “play other games” argument oppose more new content so strongly

[AlexiaD]

Never said that.



Thats its best facet, Super. New players dont come in and find that content gone orf deleted. That, btw, was what I ACTUALLY said. If you are going to quote me, do so accurately and dont put words in my mouth please

Good, then we can have more content yes ? Since you can just come back to it later, glad we solved that "issue"

[Atelier-Bagur]

You also claim that a big benefit of 14 is it doesn’t have FOMO why should you care if more content is released, you can do it in 5 years when you’ve played everything else anyway

That the whole problem with this “play other games” argument, if you genuinely believe that 14 can be entered and left at will based on the content level why is it a bad thing that those of us who like playing 14 want more content, it’s not like you can’t do said content just because you are playing NMS right now




So translation you are surprised I don’t agree with you as much as you think I did

My question is what sort of content do you want in the game that keeps you in it long enough without being an arbitrary grind? I still argue that grinds and chores are lazy and unfun game design and its a common reason for many MMO players to quickly fall off a game rather than have its intended effect of retention. Weve seen this happened time and time again in other MMOs.

Personally, I enjoy having my small content fill in every patch and be done with it and focus on other parts of this game or on other games. Rather than feeling preoccupied on filling some "fix".

Btw this doesnt mean that I want less content.
I want more stuff but nothing thats arbitrary and padded out. They should bring back more extra dungeons in this game for starters

[Supersnow845]

My question is what sort of content do you want in the game that keeps you in it long enough without being an arbitrary grind? I still argue that grinds and chores are lazy and unfun game design and its a common reason for many MMO players to quickly fall off a game rather than have its intended effect of retention. Weve seen this happened time and time again in other MMOs.

Personally, I enjoy having my small content fill in every patch and be done with it and focus on other parts of this game or on other games. Rather than feeling preoccupied on filling some "fix".

Btw this doesnt mean that I want less content.
I want more stuff but nothing thats arbitrary and padded out. They should bring back more extra dungeons in this game for starters

Your point “focus on other parts of the game” is a big one

I’m a legacy player, now sure the argument exists that “they can’t keep making new content forever for old players” but I’ve done everything in this game over the 13 years I’ve played it, and I do not no life this game, the only new content I get is the pathetic patch content they give once per 5 months, I don’t have a long backlog to fall back on like people who started in EW

In answer to your question which I know you don’t like is Bozja, Bozja had something for everyone and it kept people engaged during the 5.55 lull, it wasn’t perfect but it could both be grinded (emblazoned) or just casually interacted with (dalriada, levelling alt classes), more content like that that doesn’t die on patch because it only really can be done once is what I want

[Darkobra]

Actually no, people enjoyed the game before and didn't treat the game's weeklies as a chore.

The last time I laughed that hard was when I saw a toy called Robert Cop 2.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I stopped playing BGIII after freeing the dwarf. Don’t care for oldschool roleplaying, I never have. I care even less for any of the party members I have.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Your point “focus on other parts of the game” is a big one

I’m a legacy player, now sure the argument exists that “they can’t keep making new content forever for old players” but I’ve done everything in this game over the 13 years I’ve played it, and I do not no life this game, the only new content I get is the pathetic patch content they give once per 5 months, I don’t have a long backlog to fall back on like people who started in EW

In answer to your question which I know you don’t like is Bozja, Bozja had something for everyone and it kept people engaged during the 5.55 lull, it wasn’t perfect but it could both be grinded (emblazoned) or just casually interacted with (dalriada, levelling alt classes), more content like that that doesn’t die on patch because it only really can be done once is what I want

I see what you mean but theres some flaws with your Bozja point. One are the leveling alt classes. This is not a good point since getting to max level is very easy and quickly to do thanks to roulettes and doing your highest level dungeon to grind it out. So the leveling aspect doesnt last for very long. Besides, we now have an alternative for this in EW with Eureka Orthos where players can also level alt classes there.

And as a casual player, most of that journey ended with the quest story in Bozja. You only needed to do CLL and Dalriada once to progress through that campaign. The only reason to grind it out being for extra relics which falls into that arbritrary padded out garbage that I dislike.

At this point in time on my main, Ive pretty much done everything major I wanted to do. Sure theres some extra grinds that I could shoot for if Im that desperate for retention but I dont since I dont want to waste my time for something that Im not that set out to complete.

Its just a reality with veteran players in MMOs that they have to soon face. If the game tries very hard to cater to the veterans and keep them retained then it hurts the game overall because itll fall in that never ending wheel that isnt satisfying or fun. We've seen big examples with this with Blizzard or Smilegate trying to do just that and it just failed with the general audience.

I wish this game added more activities per patch but not just one big activity that needs to be grinded out for like Bozja and Eureka. I dont want having to do homework in this game.