Sorry, but Content deal finder again.....

[Krausus]

I just want to throw out a reminder that content finder will be voluntary. Personally I will never use it, I have enough friends that I wont ever have to, though this will be good for those that don't, those that are a bit socially awkward, or those that are quite casual enough they don't have much time to build a group. To be honest Rokien you stand to benefit from it a lot since it seems you have issues getting into groups that dont want to wait for you to get to the instance on chocoback.

[Jynx]

Yea and all those were instanced

Besieged, force pop, Campaign, Sea were all instanced? But you guys seem to be on the "It was all instanced" bandwagon.

FFXI had a balance of instanced to open world content. Most instanced events were also at the END of open world dungeons.

[Razzle]

Content Finder is the main feature I wait for in 2.0.

If done right, it will actually make poeple PLAY the game instead of standing in Uldah all day

[Velhart]

Open-world NMs for the low level stuff, then Forced popped or Instanced NMs for the Uber and strong end-gear.. that way everyone can have the slice of the NM kill and possibly a reward from it. FFXI was a great game, but one of the things I didn't like was that I couldn't get Relic gear etc etc, because you needed to be in a Fuctional working LS to get them or else you lose out, and not only that but some NMs you could get sometimes because the other players get to them first, then you have to wait for 21+hrs to even try it again.

Got one problem with forced pops. People not in a party can still hit mobs. What is stopping people from getting their 40 LS members and take down an NM the developers design for 8 people? Possibly 16 if they implement an alliance system. The best way for NM's is to be instanced. Can even make it look like the area you were just in. Like you get the item required to pop one NM. When you go to the "???", you go through the classic "You are bound by duty." with people in your party go into an instanced version of the area you are in, kill the NM, then it takes you back from the instanced version to the normal open world area.

That is what I believe the best way to handle open world end game dungeons. I think a lot about Sky and Sea when I talk about this. It worked for those major end game dungeons because others outside the party could not claim mobs. So I think this is how it should be balanced. Of course, major fights be done in a special instanced area in the dungeon.

[Zumi]

Content Finder is the main feature I wait for in 2.0.

If done right, it will actually make poeple PLAY the game instead of standing in Uldah all day

Pretty much this. Its my most wanted feature that's in 2.0. So I can log in and do stuff right away like I can on WoW. If I feel like doing a raid at 3am I can log in and do that, and I have done that before because I couldn't sleep.

[Arcell]

Got one problem with forced pops. People not in a party can still hit mobs. What is stopping people from getting their 40 LS members and take down an NM the developers design for 8 people? Possibly 16 if they implement an alliance system. The best way for NM's is to be instanced. Can even make it look like the area you were just in. Like you get the item required to pop one NM. When you go to the "???", you go through the classic "You are bound by duty." with people in your party go into an instanced version of the area you are in, kill the NM, then it takes you back from the instanced version to the normal open world area.

That is what I believe the best way to handle open world end game dungeons. I think a lot about Sky and Sea when I talk about this. It worked for those major end game dungeons because others outside the party could not claim mobs. So I think this is how it should be balanced. Of course, major fights be done in a special instanced area in the dungeon.

From a balance standpoint, Velhart is 100% right. Anything in the open world can be attacked by any number of players/parties outside of those who claimed it. This means that zerging becomes the strategy of choice for most people and thus there is no difficulty. With instances, or even pseudo-instances like faction leves, balance can be achieved because the number of people allowed to participate is limited.

Also there's nothing that they've said that means the game is going to be 100% purely instanced. They've said that they want to rely heavily on instances for things like dungeons but that makes sense. It is a unique area in the game with unique objectives that lends itself to only a few people being present.

And don't act like they aren't always adding open-world content as well. The Strongholds are the biggest example of this. They are quite similar to dungeons (areas filled with monsters in which progression through is limited to a few paths and various treasures are around to be found) and are open-world. Hell they even added Shposhae as well, a completely open-world dungeon.

I think for end-game content that warrants it, we will see instances to avoid a lot of the hatred, animosity and lack of sportsmanship that comes with things like claim wars. Things like dungeons and primals, they warrant instancing. However they will still be adding open world content. Why do you think they're re-creating every single one of the overworld maps? So we can just walk around and look? No. They're going to fill those new maps with content as well. This game will never be all open world or all instanced, there will be a mix.

[Issachar]

I don't have the powers to close hell, I'm sorry D:, you might need to ask someone else with more powers.

I-I've been trolled...NANDATOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!

[Jinko]

Please give a list of things that prevent you from having fun that I don't want.

Things I don't want:
Heavy instanced
Bad Community
Instant airship
Anima<insert another way of teleportation here(I just don't want anima)>
Instant Boat ride
Aggro indicator
Exact level of mobs
Level sync
Content Finder
Speed runs

I don't see how any of those prevent you from having "FUN"

All those things just make the game easier, and we have found out easy=/=fun

Seriously I almost fell off my chair when I saw that !

I get the feeling you should quite before 2.0 because I don't think its for you.

[Starlord]

Seriously I almost fell off my chair when I saw that !

I get the feeling you should quite before 2.0 because I don't think its for you.

Yeah about that instant Boat.... LOLLOL

[Kiote]

~ 4 Instance Raids
~ 2 Instant Primal Fights ( which they should be anyhow, and 1 more coming this month)
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Non Instanced Dungeons:

- Shopeshae
- Muy-Tuy Cellars
- Tam-Tam
- Cassiopiea
- Nanawan Mines
- Copperbell Mines

~ 3 Non-instance Strongholds ( Another 1 on the way, that being the Imperial Stronghold)
~ Most Job Quests are open world
~ Grand Company Quests
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~7 Instanced stuff

vs

~ 6 Non- Instanced Dungeons, 4 Non-Instanced Strongholds, Job Quest, Grand Company Quests, The World in general etc

Thats what 42 Job Quests + 6 + 4 + like 12 GC quests= 64+ Quests


Yeah let me tell ya how this game is SOOOO Instanced :/

You should actually read the 2.0 documents. If you did you might have actually see the part that state quite specficlly and i Quote "Conversion of all Non-Instanced Dungeons to Instances"