Dramatic times in FFXIV

[Hurlstone]

There is trolling, and then there is spiteful attention seeking...

[RosaliaDLB]

There is trolling, and then there is spiteful attention seeking...

I'll take someone doing a few bait threads over someone stalking, derailing threads on purpose and hiding from people to watch them ERP, that's my personal choice though

[Vahlnir]

I'll take someone doing a few bait threads over someone stalking and hiding from people to watch them ERP, that's my personal choice though

We could also, I don't know, have standards and not accept either of these things.

[RosaliaDLB]

We could also, I don't know, have standards and not accept either of these things.

I agree with you, but one gets all the blame, and the other apparently is doing "le funny" so it's okay to have done what he did, so there has to be some fairness to it too, one is not better than the other.

[Vahlnir]

I agree with you, but one gets all the blame, and the other apparently is doing "le funny" so it's okay to have done what he did, so there has to be some fairness to it too, one is not better than the other.

I've been gone a while and apparently missed some things. lol

Based on what I'm hearing though...oof.

[Hurlstone]

I agree with you, but one gets all the blame, and the other apparently is doing "le funny" so it's okay to have done what he did, so there has to be some fairness to it too, one is not better than the other.

True, although I think its gonna be unlikely that balance will ever be achieved. The trolls will often go unreprimanded due to baiting popular complaint topics, the fact they do so in rude and at times offencive ways does not matter to those regulars who heartedly agree. Also I think its unfair to judge to those who oppose trolls akin to Titanmen, with support the poster you are referring too. I would say many of us, if not most, think stalking is all kinds of messed up and unacceptable, although I admit I do not know the facts outside of what has been said in such topics. We are not, as far as I can tell, approving said behaviour by simply taking a stance against trolls that they may also have. Must we give an affidavit eveytime we post on this topic dissmissing them?

Although I do think that frankly most of these pure troll threads deserve to be derailed, esspically when it comes to the threads that do not even touch upon actual topics, of which Titanmen and others often started.

[RosaliaDLB]

True, although I think its gonna be unlikely that balance will ever be achieved. The trolls will often go unreprimanded due to baiting popular complaint topics, the fact they do so in rude and at times offencive ways does not matter to those regulars who heartedly agree. Also I think its unfair to judge to those who oppose trolls akin to Titanmen, with support the poster you are referring too. I would say many of us, if not most, think what they did/stalking etc was and is messed up, although I admit I do not know the facts outside of what has been said in such topics. We are not, as far as I can tell, approving said behaviour by simply taking a stance against trolls that they may also have. Must we give an affidavit eveytime we post on this topic dissmissing them?

Although I do think that frankly most of these troll threads deserve to be derailed, esspically when it comes to the threads that do not even touch upon actual topics, of which Titanmen and others often started.

I think both are wrong, period, my only issue with the way people treat it is as if one is like an angel and hasnt done anything wrong, and another is getting treated badly because he makes bait threads, there has to be a middle ground imo, which there really isnt

I have no knowledge of those things. I've only seen one vague apology thread from him which was taken down and I haven't checked his profile to see if more exist. If there was actual proof of these around here somewhere I'd be interested in seeing it though.

The entire thread got deleted so not like I'd be able to provide it, no wonder too it was an absolute mess

[Nebelheim]

I think both are wrong, period, my only issue with the way people treat it is as if one is like an angel and hasnt done anything wrong, and another is getting treated badly because he makes bait threads, there has to be a middle ground imo, which there really isnt



The entire thread got deleted so not like I'd be able to provide it, no wonder too it was an absolute mess

I agree one troll/harasser/derailer shouldn't be treated better then another just because one of them chose to apologize. Which they only apologized because enough people called them out and was against them to essentially force the apology for there actions and realize they were wrong. If they werent called out for being as bad as titanmen and doing extra for purposely inciting derailments and forum/ingame and discord harassment and creeping in apartments without permission they would have continued doing it.

[Hurlstone]

I think both are wrong, period, my only issue with the way people treat it is as if one is like an angel and hasnt done anything wrong, and another is getting treated badly because he makes bait threads, there has to be a middle ground imo, which there really isnt



The entire thread got deleted so not like I'd be able to provide it, no wonder too it was an absolute mess

I dunno if the person you are speaking about is treated like an angel as such. They may not get the same ire that the trolls do I agree, but I would say many do not even know of the accusations. I was blind to them for a long while, and again I only know the story from one side. It seems like a mess no matter what. The trolls at least have a more noticeable notoriety, especially in the past months when the mods where slow to act and such threads ran rampant for weeks without moderation for all to see.

Plus, when it comes to the troll in question, I feel that it was a bit more then just ‘bait threads’ personally speaking. They have a spiteful edge to their actions which goes unchallenged often. Most notably in months past when they constant started topics on social issues, with the sole aim to cause hate debates on real life topics. There is being silly and trolling within the confides of the game, and then there is that which… is just pathetic.

[Renathras]

I'll take someone doing a few bait threads over someone stalking, derailing threads on purpose and hiding from people to watch them ERP, that's my personal choice though

Just so we're clear, Titanman also engaged in stalking, harassing, and derailing threads. I know you don't like me, but he was stalking me across threads here and harassing me, including making entire threads to do so and putting doctored quotes in his signature to make me look bad.

People like you didn't call out that harassment, you defended it.

"le funny man" didn't do anything like that, and what Titanman did was so bad that he got SEVERAL of his alts banned and over a dozen threads deleted. It was that rampant, and I wasn't his only victim. I find you anti-"le funny man" people totally disingenuous since you never once condemned Titanmen for the stalking and harassment and derailing of threads he did, and instead defended him. Indeed, every time I've brought it up since, some of you will defend it, to the point I just stopped bringing it up.

But no, when you attack "le funny man" but say Titan wasn't just as bad or worse, when you also refused to condemn him doing the same or worse things, you lose any credibility you might think you otherwise possess. Indeed, in the "one gets all the blame", you constantly attack the other and never the one that DESERVES the blame he's gotten.

As one of his victims: Titanmen was absolutely worse. And I won't take the word of those who refused to condemn him for it as valid.