Idea Bag: How to get players to unlock older content (eg Raids)

[Mr_Gyactus]

Problem: even with ilvl fix, CT is still gonna get pulled in roulette because of people like me. How can SE motivate people like me to unlock other raids so people (like you, maybe) don’t keep getting CT?

Ok, so full disclosure…
I have alts. (My personal rant on not doing old raids):

I level these alts almost exclusively via Crystal Tower roulette and MSQ (they only really have 1 or 2 jobs so it’s enough).

The problem is, as is I will never ever unlock the 3.0 or later raid series. This means, even if the roulette requires a higher ilevel, my alt will still only pull the CT series.

So, while the devs have done a good job to get rid of ilvl cheese, they still haven’t motivated players like me to unlock them in the first place.

I feel this is a similar stance to new players- if they aren’t specifically interested in the glams or old relic grinds, there really is no motivation to unlock the old raids, especially if it potentially “penalizes” them by having potentially harder roulettes.

Doubly true I would wager that they don’t even bother with the older raids until they’ve finished the MSQ and are now sifting through content to decide what looks fun to do.

Rant TL;dr:
There is not enough motivation to unlock later raids when compared to giving up what is an extremely easy method of leveling quickly/lazily. Humans gonna human.

Things they have tried:
3.x series (along with 4 lords) unlocks Tataru’s Grand Endeavor. This is just story afaik, so not worth on alt, and maybe not so interesting for a new player when 7.0 or 8.0 comes along.
4.x series eventually unlocks Bozja, which is relic stuff; ultimately skins.

Suggestions?
What I would suggest is core things that you “wouldn’t want to be without”. Enough to get new players/alts to run the raids just once. The goal being that ultimately if when they do try to do alliance roulette, they would have an equal chance at pulling any particular roulette.

My suggestion, something as big a deal flying in 2.x like…

the upcoming 2-channel dye system.
Flying mount speed increase could be a thing. (Do all raids = faster fly speed for that expac)
A 4 man mount for doing all 2.x to 6.x raids.
Significantly more xp for roulette-ing into higher raids.
I dunno.. discuss!

So there it is: what could devs do to entice new players (who don’t want to run the old raids) to do them and ensure more roulette variety?

Discuss!

I have a more simple solution.
Player cannot queue alliance roulette if he/she does not unlock (and finish) the raids, similar to mentor roulette and expert roulette. He/she can queue a specific raid, obviously.

The question is if we truly need this constraint.

[kaynide]

I have a more simple solution.
Player cannot queue alliance roulette if he/she does not unlock (and finish) the raids, similar to mentor roulette and expert roulette. He/she can queue a specific raid, obviously.

The question is if we truly need this constraint.

It’s an idea, but it’s punishing. In my case I’d just stop doing alliance raid roulette and pick up whatever the next easiest thing is. So, it would work, but I think the goal is to be less of a deterrent and more of a “dude you’ve gotta do the raids once, because xxx is just so good!”

For me, on my alts, a significant increase in flying speed would do it. Locking new jobs behind it might do it. Just glamours is not going to motivate me personally, and I wager it won’t really motivate new players who can just as easily get a copy of the glamours from other sources (eg Void Ark skins can literally just be bought off MB. I think it’s level…70?). But it’s all good! All ideas can work towards a good solution.

[Iscah]

I wager it won’t really motivate new players who can just as easily get a copy of the glamours from other sources (eg Void Ark skins can literally just be bought off MB. I think it’s level…70?).

As a serious glamourer, shared models are rarely a valid substitute for each other, because different colour schemes work for different purposes. They'll have different undyeable colours, gold edging instead of silver, all kinds of details that give them different uses. The marketboard copies can be fine to test out the fit and interactions with the rest of your glamour, but sometimes you really need the original.