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I also think if we change the dynamic to a lone player who has no friends comes into this game because maybe it is their first experience with a MMO or whatever for the sake of argument... So somewhere there has to be a line drawn... I personally have a problem with people going around saying 'im bored' it's childish when I hear it. If you are bored do something else... NO GAME is perfect.

They've solved the problem for lone players. They can do any solo duty on very easy, and they can do any dungeon with Duty Support NOCs that will take as long as they need.

Even if 24 mans and 8 mans were returned to their original difficulties by fixing ilvl and action potencies, those players would be able to be carried through either AFK or on the ground, because that's how the game was originally tuned anyways.

Think of how many bosses used to permanently remove players from the field if they fell off and how healers didn't always have swift rez unless they went and learned it. Yet those players routinely succeeded in raids and trials with dead and ejected from the arena players.

They weren't somehow better than new players or mediocre ones today, the game is just well designed to be approachable and beatable.

Currently the game is just fine for players that are more interested in the story and not interested in the gameplay, but that's shame because it used to deliver BOTH. It's asking a lot for a player coming from most other games, and especially from other MMOs as most do not have such a heavy story focus as this one, to take people's words for it that the combat does get more interesting when you've spent 100 hours walking cutscene to cutscene and you just beat unlocked and cleared ST in 11 minutes, spending half that time waiting moving between bosses and trash.

Not to mention, they hardly even have the opportunity to be prepared for later difficulty as the MSQ exists today. There's relatively less time spent in combat on the way to max level just from exp sources alone, so of course they're gonna have a worse time with the combat that's still required, either because they're less ready it for it or because it's so fleeting for those that enjoy it.

The complaints of being bored are no more childish than you telling them to do something else. Do you not trust the people you're speaking with to consciously decide to take their time to post here because they think it matters? NOBODY has to be here, neither folks that are dissatisfied with how unengaging most of the game has become or the ones that hypothetically can't beat LotA with a decade of guides and knowledge on the Internet and in the minds of the community that 23 players will be drawn from, ready to support them through it.

[Snorky]

It doesn't matter no one on this forum or Reddit is representative of the amount of people who actually play this game. That is my point, opinions are fine but they are not evidence.
Just want to drop this here,
https://www.dexerto.com/final-fantas...-2023-2112769/

I'm done arguing because it's always the same merry go round. Look below for the people who like to insult others. They put words in your mouth the twist what you say. I'm sorry if the truth hurts your feelings people below this post.

[Nebelheim]

It doesn't matter no one on this forum or Reddit is representative of the people who actually play this game.

Right let's not provide feedback and let the game stagnate because some people think the game is perfect. Its ok to play a game and provide feedback for the game you play. Thats how we get games like 1.0.

[Remember_The_Name]

How many people play this game.

Why are you so obsessed with numbers? Yeah, XIV has a lot of players, what a surprise! Looks like those who were developing the game made a good job to make it accessible! (at what cost I wonder...) Let's give them pat on the back, shall we?

Since when forumers are prohibited from posting their opinion? This place is created with intention for people to voice them, their discontent with the game included. And they have all rights to do so.

"You are the minority, so shut up!" - that's pretty much what are you telling us. Can you not, please?

The game is getting stagnant, and players are worriying about it for a good reason. Not today, but eventually this may cause big problems for XIV, and I don't want it to happen, because I have live experience how my favourite big MMO turned into crap over time. Because I also was told to "remain silent as a vocal minority", branded as "Doomer, naysayer and party pooper".

Once again, this entire discussion is just for people to vent. Bet the devs do not read any forums that are not JP. Nothing will change.

Oh, and look forward to 6.5 with 3rd Alliance Raid! Another bet that this will not be even remotely close to Orbonne or Paradigm's Breach. They don't have the stones to give us anything like TGC or Red Girl.

[Shinkuno]

. How many people play this game.

This argument never works because when you realize one of the most played games - league of legends - is infinitely more complex than FF14.

[SophiaDL]

It doesn't matter no one on this forum or Reddit is representative of the amount of people who actually play this game. That is my point, opinions are fine but they are not evidence.

I'm done arguing because it's always the same merry go round. Look below for the people who like to insult others. They put words in your mouth the twist what you say. I'm sorry if the truth hurts your feelings people below this post.

"lets not complain because there are players in the game so it doesnt matter"

absolute worst take i've seen at least today

does the game need to have literally only you left to have the right to complain?

[Carin-Eri]

Since when forumers are prohibited from posting their opinion? This place is created with intention for people to voice them, their discontent with the game included. And they have all rights to do so.

Something I feel is taken for granted, actually. Technically, no-one has the "right" to do/say anything on a forum that belongs to a company.

I was permabanned from the forum of another game for expressing a negative opinion - I commented, that the CM of said game needed to learn how to use a spellcheck and how to proof-read his sloppy blogs and news posts, and actually learn how to make a professional looking customer-facing product, and that there wasn't really any excuse for said CM's work to be so sloppy after six years doing the job.

[SophiaDL]

Something I feel is taken for granted, actually. Technically, no-one has the "right" to do/say anything on a forum that belongs to a company.

I was permabanned from the forum of another game for expressing a negative opinion - I commented, that the CM of said game needed to learn how to use a spellcheck and how to proof-read his sloppy blogs and news posts, and actually learn how to make a professional looking customer-facing product, and that there wasn't really any excuse for said CM's work to be so sloppy after six years doing the job.

Actually yes, everybody has the right to not only access, but also voice opinions on the forums of a company.

If anything they should be grateful we use this forum that looks like it was made in 1995 and has a daily quota of 20 posts, barely letting its players have a decent conversation between each other, something I have personally never seen anywhere else in almost 20 years of gaming

[Carin-Eri]

Actually yes, everybody has the right to not only access, but also voice opinions on the forums of a company.

If anything they should be grateful we use this forum that looks like it was made in 1995 and has a daily quota of 20 posts, barely letting its players have a decent conversation between each other, something I have personally never seen anywhere else in almost 20 years of gaming

But they don't. It's right there, in the SE Forum Terms of Service which we accepted by using the forum:
(missing out the usual disclaimer text)
"Posting seeking to damage or disparage Square Enix, the forum, FINAL FANTASY XIV, or others."
and there are other examples

Granted, they don't actually enforce this - but the fact is, they could.

[Mikey_R]

That's not exactly true though there are people in this thread who want ct returned to it's old difficulty why are you changing the goal posts and gaslighting. If you didn't say it fine but someone in this thread did. So please read each post. Oh and you didn't answer the question "why do you personally want it harder? '

Believe it or not I want to see you happy playing this game. Of all the games I have played and I have played most Western games and a few eastern including wildstar, I like this one best. I am a old pvp person who realizes my limitations now. But aside I want everyone to be happy because the community in this game really is nice, it's one of the nicest most tolerate MMOs on the market. Personally I am happy to leave being the bestest to other people. As long as I can carry my weight I'm fine. I want you to be happy.

I never changed the goal posts. The goalposts have always been, bring CT back to close to its original difficulty by putting an ilevel cap on it. That is it. If one person said they want to increase the difficulty, that is fine, I misspoke. I should have said the general consensus was to include an ilevel cap.

As for why I want it harder, I want it to have a bit of bite back. Just a bit so that I actually have to have some sort of attention on it.

HOWEVER, this does not mean make it stupidly hard, quite the contrary. Despite adding in an ilevel cap, it will still be easy, however it will give a better reflection of what an alliance raid is like.

Now, back to my question that so far has not been answered. Why do you think adding in an ilevel cap would suddenly hard wall players from progressing when evidence shows this is not even remotely true at all?