People Enjoy hard Games

[Axxion]

Cant find the forum post about trying to fix the item level other the cheese "one" however here is a reddit post about it with a poll.

all i can remember from the forum post was A person got there friend to play the game and they got access to LOA. the friend was excited to do there first raid. The op was telling them how it worked etc. They got into it and lets just say they was disappointed

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...raids_similar/

[Snorky]

Cant find the forum post about trying to fix the item level other the cheese "one" however here is a reddit post about it with a poll.

all i can remember from the forum post was A person got there friend to play the game and they got access to LOA. the friend was excited to do there first raid. The op was telling them how it worked etc. They got into it and lets just say they was disappointed

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...raids_similar/

Not everyone reads reddit, forum posters reddit users are not good evidence for changing a game. Sorry but a poll on Reddit is not viable evidence. The only viable evidence is the evidence this company sanctions to gather.

[Axxion]

Not everyone reads reddit, forum posters reddit users are not good evidence for changing a game. Sorry but a poll on Reddit is not viable evidence.

Well yeah i know that lol but some would like them tweak the raids so you have to do the mechanic. Thats all i can pull because nobody likes tagging correctly on here

[Shinkuno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru0dXDz9qoY

All evidence to the contrary.

Catering to the %1 is a great way to kill a game.

Yeah a game that had nothing to do except attunement gated raids is surely a good comparision when people ask for MIDCORE content. Wildstar died before most people could even see the "supposedly" hardcore raids cause you had to drag every member through a slog of attunement that makes WoW Vanilla and BC look like FF14 clubbing.

FF14 already caters more to the 1% with ultimates than it does for people that want something inbetween savage and "i can clear this being afk"

[Nebelheim]

Please show me where you personally said why you, you want a change in difficulty to the MSQ? Please point to the post that says why you personally want this change? I see a lot of advice for the devs in many of these posts without real evidence that the majority of people want a change, I see opinions. I also see the same half dozen people who want it harder but have no evidence that a mass of people want it changed. Oh and here's a clue everything everyone says is opinion until they actually have a spread sheet of verifiable evidence to back it up otherwise it's just a theory. To include what I say to you, it's my opinion you can not change something with out real evidence that it needs to be changed.

Sorry I had to edit this for error and to say one last thing, RPGMMOs are not just about dungeons or raids, it's about quests, and social aspects, collecting things and being around people who make their own activities. They are not made to be one thing only. The whole premise is a living world in which to play in. Not just fighting monsters. You can do that in any other number of games. There is more to this game then dungeons and doing the duty roulette.

I mentioned crystal tower before it became mandatory and when it originally released was not that much more difficult then it is now then was asked to provide evidence and told it was my opinion only. Then you and val claimed if they kept the difficulty as it originally was back then it would wall people off from advancing story while not providing evidence for both of your claims. Considering i been playing since arr released and played each crystal tower raid when it came out on release none of them were that difficult.

[Remember_The_Name]

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I REALLY hope you understand that on the game forum people usually share their opinions, right?

Not like they can pinpoint location of a thousand individual players, visit them and commense a survey to acquire the -

real evidence that the majority of people want a change

You ask people to do the job of game's actual developers. A bit much, don't you think?

Of-freaking-course people are going to share their opinions on the game, because it is the only thing they can do.

RPGMMOs are not just about dungeons or raids, it's about quests, and social aspects, collecting things and being around people who make their own activities. They are not made to be one thing only. The whole premise is a living world in which to play in. Not just fighting monsters. You can do that in any other number of games. There is more to this game then dungeons and doing the duty roulette.

I am mostly sure this entire discussion will lead to nowhere and people are just screaming into the void out of desperation.

Square Enix, like all big corporates, will choose profit. That's why the game will remain in its current state (if not get even worse), because the vast majority of players, as you mentioned, don't give a flying chocobo arse about intersting combat and will prefer afking or RP in Limsa. What a great game.

Yeah, today I am in a bit pessimistic mood.

[Snorky]

I REALLY hope you understand that on the game forum people usually share their opinions, right?

Not like they can pinpoint location of a thousand individual players, visit them and commense a survey to acquire the -



You ask people to do the job of game's actual developers. A bit much, don't you think?

Of-freaking-course people are going to share their opinions on the game, because it is the only thing they can do.



I am mostly sure this entire discussion will lead to nowhere and people are just screaming into the void out of desperation.

Square Enix, like all big corporates, will choose profit. That's why the game will remain in its current state (if not get even worse), because the vast majority of players, as you mentioned, don't give a flying chocobo arse about intersting combat and will prefer afking or RP in Limsa. What a great game.

Yeah, today I am in a bit pessimistic mood.

I wanted to comment on your post, some people act like this game is failing because it won't change to what I want. That is my point. And I believe I said already people on this forum or Reddit or any other forum are giving opinions, some act like do this that or the third or else. They need to look at their own motives. If one thousand people are unhappy with this game what about the millions who are enjoying it? You see none of what is said here by the few who keep saying it are going to change anything. How many people play this game. A quick Google search led me to these numbers over 45 million people subscribe to this game,with a average of 1.5 million playing daily. This forum does not and reddit does not represent the true feelings of players. It can't according to the number of people. Player counter says as of right now there are at least 65k playing and I'm sure that number fluctuates upwards of over a million during prime time. My point is your opinions are yours to have but it does not and can not represent the majority of players. Why do you think people should be controlled in what aspects of the game they like? your comment on RP was a dig and personally doesn't interest me.

[Nebelheim]

I wanted to comment on your post, some people act like this game is failing because it won't change to what I want. That is my point. And I believe I said already people on this forum or Reddit or any other forum are giving opinions, some act like do this that or the third or else. They need to look at their own motives. If one thousand people are unhappy with this game what about the millions who are enjoying it? You see none of what is said here by the few who keep saying it are going to change anything. How many people play this game. A quick Google search led me to these numbers over 45 million people subscribe to this game,with a average of 1.5 million playing daily. This forum does not and reddit does not represent the true feelings of players. It can't according to the number of people. Player counter says as of right now there are at least 65k playing and I'm sure that number fluctuates upwards of over a million during prime time. My point is your opinions are yours to have but it does not and can not represent the majority of players.

There is 45 million registered characters not subscribers and we don't have concrete data aside from luckybanco to show monthly active users. It doesn't count daily users and the data we have are guesses and estimates no one has the data to show how many people are subscribed or playing daily unless square releases that info publicly which they don't.

[Supersnow845]

^the game has created 45 million accounts over its entire lifespan, at most 14 has about 1.3 people actively subscribed but we are never given data on how many log in

And the idea that “I shouldn’t share my opinion because there is so many people I’m probably in the minority” is a pessimistic way to look at things that would lead to feedback only being shared when the game is actively dying (ie pre 1.15), similarly assuming the majority hold the opinion that “the current way of doing whatever we are discussing is correct” is also damaging to discussion and just leads to stagnation

Edit quoting snoorky here I just have a bad habit of doing ^ for above post, I agree with you neiblehiem

[Nebelheim]

^the game has created 45 million accounts over its entire lifespan, at most 14 has about 1.3 people actively subscribed but we are never given data on how many log in

And the idea that “I shouldn’t share my opinion because there is so many people I’m probably in the minority” is a pessimistic way to look at things that would lead to feedback only being shared when the game is actively dying (ie pre 1.15), similarly assuming the majority hold the opinion that “the current way of doing whatever we are discussing is correct” is also damaging to discussion and just leads to stagnation

Edit quoting snoorky here I just have a bad habit of doing ^ for above post, I agree with you neiblehiem

I agree with you also people look at the 45 million accounts created and assume its currently subscribed players and we have wow numbers of 3-5 million people logged in at once. Blizzard for a period of time is the only company that actively publicly published player numbers until they started declining and decided to not publicly publish numbers anymore. The reason 1.0 failed is because no feedback was provided or was ignored and they continued doing the opposite of player feedback. And there is also the case if people don't provide feedback the game stagnates.