People Enjoy hard Games

[Supersnow845]

No you havent. All I see is your opinions...with nothing to back them up.



Okay...youre an expert on game design then?.



This conclusion is based on...what exactly? What metrics? What feedback? From whom? When?



So now we are onto Chrysalis too. I see.

When you are prepared AND ready to address the critical question I asked , we can resume this discussion. Until then, we are done talking.

The question I asked you is the same one any game designer, planner asks every single time a change is proposed.



Who did Holminster switch spamming cure 1? When? On what server?

Dont bother answering because we both know it never happened.



Do I really need to remind you of what the law of unintended consequences is?

You cant or wont answer basic questions, you dont have any data or proof for your so called "facts'" and when called on to prove that your intended change wont be a major misstep you admit you havent considered it because "it cant happen".

"That cant happen"?

Famous last words.

Discussion OVER.

I see we are back to “every argument you present is a biased opinion but every argument I say is a fact unless you can prove me otherwise”

Being deliberately obtuse isn’t a debate tactic as much as you would like to believe it is, nor is demanding irrefutable proof from everyone else while your entire argument is built on the existence of a group you have yet to prove even remotely exists

[Mikey_R]

They dont see mechanics in CT? News to me.

Alot of mechanics are skipped in CT in it's current state. Did you know the second boss of ST has a phase where you go to the outer platforms? I know, shocking.

Also, to claim adding an ilevel sync would gate people comes with the implication that the content used to gate people when it was new (it didn't) OR people have become less competent over time, which I believe is not the case.

Any attempt to say the content can potentially hard wall people is hyperbole based on nothing when we have evidence to the contrary, this applies to all content that does not have an ilevel sync, aka all non dungeon content.

Which brings up the next point, why is it a gate if you want to apply an ilevel sync to trials/raids but not a gate when it is applied to dungeons? Should we not remove it from dungeons incase it walls people?

But what about levelling dungeons? They are tuned much tighter than level capped dungeons, yet they don't hard wall people.

Everything points to the fact the player base will be able to cope with an ilevel cap on content. So why do you think the complete opposite.

[VelKallor]

I see we are back to “every argument you present is a biased opinion but every argument I say is a fact unless you can prove me otherwise

I asked what I asked.

Prevaricate all you like, it remains unanswered. Until you actually do so, not listening.

[Supersnow845]

^getting an answer to any question from a person you are having a discussion is going to be near impossible when any answer that doesn’t amount to “yes sorry you are 100% correct how stupid of me” is dismissed as “biased opinion”

[Aravell]

It's wild to me that anyone can think reducing ilvl creep on the CT raids can cause people to be walled out of the MSQ. Consider that people still cleared those raids just fine back in ARR/HW when jobs were harder to understand and people were worse at the game.

[VelKallor]

^getting an answer to any question from a person you are having a discussion is going to be near impossible when any answer that doesn’t amount to “yes sorry you are 100% correct how stupid of me” is dismissed as “biased opinion”

Post #382. Still waiting.

It's wild to me that anyone can think reducing ilvl creep

Except that he doesnt want ilevel creep removed, he wants the entire instance made a lot harder for reasons that are still yet to be explained in a substantive way.

[Supersnow845]

Post #382. Still waiting.



Excedpt that he doesnt want ilevel creep removed, he wants the entire instance made a lot harder for reasons that are still yet to be explained in a substantive way.

When did I ever imply that, I want the ilvl returned to the original sync so CT can be experienced at the level it was originally intended

Have you been arguing with a straw man for 12 pages or are you fishing for sympathy from a neutral party

[Mikey_R]

I asked what I asked.

Prevaricate all you like, it remains unanswered. Until you actually do so, not listening.

Nothing of what I said was biased and/or based on opinion and is backed up by evidence. The biggest bit of evidence being people cleared it in the past, at lower ilevels before job power creep was a thing. Even with an ilevel sync, it will still be easier now than it was back in ARR due to said job power creep.

So really, the question is, why do think the content would hard wall people just because it gains an ilevel sync? Remember, nothing I have said is based off of opinion, so you cannot throw that back at me. However, I would like to know the answer to the question I just proposed.

[Snorky]

What has been asked is this? Where are the facts that people want content harder? Not talking about ilvl here? That is the question, no one can speak for all people they can only speak for themselves and maybe their 10 friends, but I doubt that even. The question is simple and we all know the answer. Some people don't want to say it though. For whatever reason. All this hyperbole is silly. If you want harder content say 'i want harder content'. Don't pretend you have any made up data no one else has.
Omg it's the freaking same on every MMO forum the same argument the same people trying to make themselves look like they are some expert gamer who plows through hard content and is successful at it. It really is laughable each and every time I read it. Eso had the same thread, if you want harder admit it. Don't say the masses want it when you don't know that period.
Personally, tuning ilvl would help. As it stands now people are having trouble queueing for duty finder because of data center travel. The intended change of difficult would make that problem worse in my opinion. Several times the question was asked why do you want to make the MSQ dungeons and raids harder but know one is willing to admit they just want it for selfish reasons. This conversation is old and tired and nothing anyone says here is going to make a difference.

[Alacran]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru0dXDz9qoY

All evidence to the contrary.

Catering to the %1 is a great way to kill a game.