People Enjoy hard Games

[Nebelheim]

But you still haven't answered the question of why? But okay I agree ilvl could use an adjustment. But since I am not privy to the data behind scenes I can't say with any degree of accuracy how much of one. I didn't put words in your mouth I just want you to answer the question of why you want it harder?

People have answered you and vals question you both seem to be putting your fingers in your ears ignoring our answers while claiming what we say is opinion only while also not providing any evidence to back up you and vals claims. Me and multiple people answered you both but you both are dismissive of our answers while dismissing it as opinion only because you both dont like the answers we provide.

[Snorky]

People have answered you and vals question you both seem to be putting your fingers in your ears ignoring our answers while claiming what we say is opinion only while also not providing any evidence to back up you and vals claims. Me and multiple people answered you both but you both are dismissive of our answers while dismissing it as opinion only because you both dont like the answers we provide.

Please show me where you personally said why you, you want a change in difficulty to the MSQ? Please point to the post that says why you personally want this change? I see a lot of advice for the devs in many of these posts without real evidence that the majority of people want a change, I see opinions. I also see the same half dozen people who want it harder but have no evidence that a mass of people want it changed. Oh and here's a clue everything everyone says is opinion until they actually have a spread sheet of verifiable evidence to back it up otherwise it's just a theory. To include what I say to you, it's my opinion you can not change something with out real evidence that it needs to be changed.

Sorry I had to edit this for error and to say one last thing, RPGMMOs are not just about dungeons or raids, it's about quests, and social aspects, collecting things and being around people who make their own activities. They are not made to be one thing only. The whole premise is a living world in which to play in. Not just fighting monsters. You can do that in any other number of games. There is more to this game then dungeons and doing the duty roulette.

[Nebelheim]

Please show me where you personally said why you, you want a change in difficulty to the MSQ? Please point to the post that says why you personally want this change? I see a lot of advice for the devs in many of these posts without real evidence that the majority of people want a change, I see opinions. I also see the same half dozen people who want it harder but have no evidence that a mass of people want it changed. Oh and here's a clue everything everyone says is opinion until they actually have a spread sheet of verifiable evidence to back it up otherwise it's just a theory. To include what I say to you, it's my opinion you can not change something with out real evidence that it needs to be changed.

Sorry I had to edit this for error and to say one last thing, RPGMMOs are not just about dungeons or raids, it's about quests, and social aspects, collecting things and being around people who make their own activities. They are not made to be one thing only. The whole premise is a living world in which to play in. Not just fighting monsters. You can do that in any other number of games. There is more to this game then dungeons and doing the duty roulette.

I mentioned crystal tower before it became mandatory and when it originally released was not that much more difficult then it is now then was asked to provide evidence and told it was my opinion only. Then you and val claimed if they kept the difficulty as it originally was back then it would wall people off from advancing story while not providing evidence for both of your claims. Considering i been playing since arr released and played each crystal tower raid when it came out on release none of them were that difficult.

[Remember_The_Name]

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I REALLY hope you understand that on the game forum people usually share their opinions, right?

Not like they can pinpoint location of a thousand individual players, visit them and commense a survey to acquire the -

real evidence that the majority of people want a change

You ask people to do the job of game's actual developers. A bit much, don't you think?

Of-freaking-course people are going to share their opinions on the game, because it is the only thing they can do.

RPGMMOs are not just about dungeons or raids, it's about quests, and social aspects, collecting things and being around people who make their own activities. They are not made to be one thing only. The whole premise is a living world in which to play in. Not just fighting monsters. You can do that in any other number of games. There is more to this game then dungeons and doing the duty roulette.

I am mostly sure this entire discussion will lead to nowhere and people are just screaming into the void out of desperation.

Square Enix, like all big corporates, will choose profit. That's why the game will remain in its current state (if not get even worse), because the vast majority of players, as you mentioned, don't give a flying chocobo arse about intersting combat and will prefer afking or RP in Limsa. What a great game.

Yeah, today I am in a bit pessimistic mood.

[Snorky]

I REALLY hope you understand that on the game forum people usually share their opinions, right?

Not like they can pinpoint location of a thousand individual players, visit them and commense a survey to acquire the -



You ask people to do the job of game's actual developers. A bit much, don't you think?

Of-freaking-course people are going to share their opinions on the game, because it is the only thing they can do.



I am mostly sure this entire discussion will lead to nowhere and people are just screaming into the void out of desperation.

Square Enix, like all big corporates, will choose profit. That's why the game will remain in its current state (if not get even worse), because the vast majority of players, as you mentioned, don't give a flying chocobo arse about intersting combat and will prefer afking or RP in Limsa. What a great game.

Yeah, today I am in a bit pessimistic mood.

I wanted to comment on your post, some people act like this game is failing because it won't change to what I want. That is my point. And I believe I said already people on this forum or Reddit or any other forum are giving opinions, some act like do this that or the third or else. They need to look at their own motives. If one thousand people are unhappy with this game what about the millions who are enjoying it? You see none of what is said here by the few who keep saying it are going to change anything. How many people play this game. A quick Google search led me to these numbers over 45 million people subscribe to this game,with a average of 1.5 million playing daily. This forum does not and reddit does not represent the true feelings of players. It can't according to the number of people. Player counter says as of right now there are at least 65k playing and I'm sure that number fluctuates upwards of over a million during prime time. My point is your opinions are yours to have but it does not and can not represent the majority of players. Why do you think people should be controlled in what aspects of the game they like? your comment on RP was a dig and personally doesn't interest me.

[Nebelheim]

I wanted to comment on your post, some people act like this game is failing because it won't change to what I want. That is my point. And I believe I said already people on this forum or Reddit or any other forum are giving opinions, some act like do this that or the third or else. They need to look at their own motives. If one thousand people are unhappy with this game what about the millions who are enjoying it? You see none of what is said here by the few who keep saying it are going to change anything. How many people play this game. A quick Google search led me to these numbers over 45 million people subscribe to this game,with a average of 1.5 million playing daily. This forum does not and reddit does not represent the true feelings of players. It can't according to the number of people. Player counter says as of right now there are at least 65k playing and I'm sure that number fluctuates upwards of over a million during prime time. My point is your opinions are yours to have but it does not and can not represent the majority of players.

There is 45 million registered characters not subscribers and we don't have concrete data aside from luckybanco to show monthly active users. It doesn't count daily users and the data we have are guesses and estimates no one has the data to show how many people are subscribed or playing daily unless square releases that info publicly which they don't.

[Remember_The_Name]

How many people play this game.

Why are you so obsessed with numbers? Yeah, XIV has a lot of players, what a surprise! Looks like those who were developing the game made a good job to make it accessible! (at what cost I wonder...) Let's give them pat on the back, shall we?

Since when forumers are prohibited from posting their opinion? This place is created with intention for people to voice them, their discontent with the game included. And they have all rights to do so.

"You are the minority, so shut up!" - that's pretty much what are you telling us. Can you not, please?

The game is getting stagnant, and players are worriying about it for a good reason. Not today, but eventually this may cause big problems for XIV, and I don't want it to happen, because I have live experience how my favourite big MMO turned into crap over time. Because I also was told to "remain silent as a vocal minority", branded as "Doomer, naysayer and party pooper".

Once again, this entire discussion is just for people to vent. Bet the devs do not read any forums that are not JP. Nothing will change.

Oh, and look forward to 6.5 with 3rd Alliance Raid! Another bet that this will not be even remotely close to Orbonne or Paradigm's Breach. They don't have the stones to give us anything like TGC or Red Girl.

[Carin-Eri]

Since when forumers are prohibited from posting their opinion? This place is created with intention for people to voice them, their discontent with the game included. And they have all rights to do so.

Something I feel is taken for granted, actually. Technically, no-one has the "right" to do/say anything on a forum that belongs to a company.

I was permabanned from the forum of another game for expressing a negative opinion - I commented, that the CM of said game needed to learn how to use a spellcheck and how to proof-read his sloppy blogs and news posts, and actually learn how to make a professional looking customer-facing product, and that there wasn't really any excuse for said CM's work to be so sloppy after six years doing the job.

[SophiaDL]

Something I feel is taken for granted, actually. Technically, no-one has the "right" to do/say anything on a forum that belongs to a company.

I was permabanned from the forum of another game for expressing a negative opinion - I commented, that the CM of said game needed to learn how to use a spellcheck and how to proof-read his sloppy blogs and news posts, and actually learn how to make a professional looking customer-facing product, and that there wasn't really any excuse for said CM's work to be so sloppy after six years doing the job.

Actually yes, everybody has the right to not only access, but also voice opinions on the forums of a company.

If anything they should be grateful we use this forum that looks like it was made in 1995 and has a daily quota of 20 posts, barely letting its players have a decent conversation between each other, something I have personally never seen anywhere else in almost 20 years of gaming

[Shinkuno]

. How many people play this game.

This argument never works because when you realize one of the most played games - league of legends - is infinitely more complex than FF14.