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    So glad to see you enjoying the game!

    My advice for the forums is just take what you read here with a grain of salt. Lots of extremely jaded people here who have played for years and years and will probably come by to tell you that you are wrong.

    Game is great - hope you enjoy your time to the fullest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    So glad to see you enjoying the game!

    My advice for the forums is just take what you read here with a grain of salt. Lots of extremely jaded people here who have played for years and years and will probably come by to tell you that you are wrong.

    Game is great - hope you enjoy your time to the fullest!
    It's pretty much what I expected. All MMO forums are the same, FF XIV is no exception. But the ingame community has been nothing but kind to me so far. Even when I watch cutscenes, I've had nothing but "Take your time", "Enjoy it" etc etc.
    But the forums is not where I plan to spend my time. Beyond today I'll probably never visit again. In previous MMOs they tend to put a dent in my ingame experience, so I've given them a wide berth for a lot of MMOs in the past. Just wanted to make my main post here, hopefully for staff to see, mostly as a thank you for a great game. I just saw the Mailie Vidofnir cut scene, and man oh man.... I was cheering so damn hard!
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    Last edited by Tankymctankface; 08-23-2023 at 01:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankymctankface View Post
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    Oh, one word of caution:

    This game has a "don't ask, don't tell" perspective with add-ons. They're TECHNICALLY against the TOS, but people generally don't mind (and the Devs don't generally take action) as long as people aren't talking about it. So if you want to talk about those, I'd advise you do so on Reddit or Discords, but you MIGHT want to...modify...your 4/5 post to remove mention of any use of the things.

    I don't know that they'd do anything to you over it here, but better safe than sorry.

    It's really they don't want people running damage meters that they then use to insult and harass other players (you know the drill in WoW where the top DPSer in a random 5 man leveling dungeon tries to tell everyone else how bad everyone is for doing 1% less than them? That sort of thing), as well as prevent people getting unfair advantages in combat (like DeadlyBossMods; specifically, they don't want those things to become mandatory like they are in WoW, so they don't want them at all).

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    In general, you're fine using things like shader type things, just...don't talk about them on any official location (forums, in-game chat), if you get my meaning.

    Personally, I don't use any, and I'm looking forward to 7.0 since it sounds like they're going to do a pretty major graphics overhaul/update. So I'm looking forward to that. Though I honestly like the game's graphics and visual style.

    Anyway, just a...word of advice since you're new and all.

    Again, glad you're having fun! Hope to see you out there somewhere. o/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDL View Post
    Yeah nah, I aint a toxic positive like you are I am afraid, nor will I just stay quiet if I feel someone said something wrong, but hey, thanks for your input, not that it'll change anything as to what I think
    I'm not "toxic positive" as I have critiques about the game all the time. Try again.

    I just actually call out people lying or engaging in hyperbole. Like in your second post where you said making a single mistake while leveling in WoW would mean death. That's completely wrong. If you leveled a tank - ANY tank - you could pull multiple enemies easily as long as you weren't in overworld dungeons (the open world areas with all elite mobs). A Prot/Holy Paladin hybrid could pull entire ZONES. I routinely would pull 10-15 enemies. When BC hit and I went to Hellfire, I pulled tons of those boars and vultures. Between Consecration, Seal of Light/Wisdom, Judgement, and Holy Light, I was borderline unkillable.

    I also leveled Priest, and while I died FAR more often, I could take any at-level enemy one-on-one making plenty of mistakes and survive. I could actually fight and kill up to 3-4 enemies (depending on enemy), it just took more resources and meant more downtime to eat/drink after the battle.

    So this idea that Vanilla was EVERQUEST (it wasn't) is just rose tinted goggles.

    I'm calling you out on entering a thread of a new player to tell them how bad the game is and that some other game is better, and being wrong about the specific points you mentioned.

    I'll note you didn't contest me pointing out that Vanilla's combat was cake compared to FFXIV's, so I will mark that down as you conceding the point. Compare Molten Core to Coils or even Crystal Tower and it's no contest that FFXIV ARR was harder in both mechanics and class rotations. Even after WoW increased the debuff cap (so Hunters could actually use some of their abilities), a lot of classes were still what the negative nancies here would call braindead. Hell, Holy Paladin in Wrath was "Beacon the Off-Tank, target the Main Tank, Cast Holy Light, repeat Holy Light cast for 10 minutes, using Judgement of Light on CD if there weren't already 2 Paladins in the Raid." There's no reality in which that's more complex than modern FFXIV healers.

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    Point is, Vanilla WoW had a better/more immersive world, but wasn't harder in any realistic sense unless you were a really bad player (and even then, if you were playing a tank, it still didn't matter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Oh, one word of caution:

    This game has a "don't ask, don't tell" perspective with add-ons. They're TECHNICALLY against the TOS, but people generally don't mind (and the Devs don't generally take action) as long as people aren't talking about it.

    Again, glad you're having fun! Hope to see you out there somewhere. o/
    Changed my mind after watching this video, and specifically the section around toxicity:
    Asmongold on "15 Years of WoW vs 1 Year of FFXIV" | By Jesse Cox
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    Last edited by Tankymctankface; 08-23-2023 at 01:42 AM.

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    Welcome to the game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankymctankface View Post
    Thanks, but I did do that deliberately. I don't talk about it ingame as my FC advised, but I do want to force the topic here. It should be discussed openly. And as I said, I'm new, there's not much to lose if they decide to ban me. I can always sign up again and start from scratch or simply move on to something like Sand Land or something. There's lots out there. I love XIV, but I won't have a sword held over my head.

    And I certainly do understand the down sides of mods, as you point out. But the customization they offer, that's not on "that" end of the 1%'ers and the must have etc etc, is still a discussion owrth having.... I mean, looking at something like Eve... The amount of setup you have to do just for mandatory mumble set up, and lots of "must have discord", "must have mic" really makes the no-to-add-ons point moot. Not to mention that a bad tank does not need numbers for others to see I'm a bad tank... Or not prepared, didn't watch the yt video etc etc.... There are lots of "must haves" out there for any game. I just don't think one should single out add-ons because it's the lowest hanging fruit.
    It has been "forced " before and was met with a hard bans, they have been over this. Their stance is immovable on the matter since if they endorsed a mod, if the mod maker ever did something malicious, which some have, they would be held responsible legally and in the eyes of the players. They just can't endorse mods period. You flagrantly saying you use addons is just begging to get yourself banned to maintain fairness across enforcement, and there will be no discussion on the matter.

    I get you want to have a discussion about it, but you're doing the equivalent of setting yourself on fire to talk to a brick wall.
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