So, Queuesyncers.

[Bluish]

Is it as bad in ranked too on light and do other datacenters have this problem outside frontlines?

Light ranked seems relatively okay...You will get a person with a micro damage in your team every now and again and I would assume they are someone who had whatever reason to pull their punches. Sometimes you will get hard core steamrolled or the other way round and it's a bit suspicious but overall there are enough regulars who mostly have an interest in winning. I'm finishing in plat so I couldn't tell you what diamond or crystal tiers are like for sure but the top is mostly regulars, every season, so those folks probably know each other well enough. The alleged wintraders from previous seasons are still up top so that's something to keep in mind. The queue can be slow and that's probably the biggest problem in ranked cc at the moment. Evening times are probably best. I would add that the vast majority of ranked players I came accross were really good fun to play with and because there aren't all that many people climbing you get a chance to get used to playing with and against the same people without comms ever being involved.

[myssy]

Saying, “Okay now go.” over an external voice chat program is not an exploit.

Yes using discord or other voice chat program is not exploit. It does give an advantage and in a pvp enviroment and with cc's limited communication options. Even without using voice chat playing with the same people you will learn their playstyles and when other team is randomly matched from people who are strangers to each other and other team has members who have played together before makes a difference.

[myssy]

Light ranked seems relatively okay...You will get a person with a micro damage in your team every now and again and I would assume they are someone who had whatever reason to pull their punches. Sometimes you will get hard core steamrolled or the other way round and it's a bit suspicious but overall there are enough regulars who mostly have an interest in winning. I'm finishing in plat so I couldn't tell you what diamond or crystal tiers are like for sure but the top is mostly regulars, every season, so those folks probably know each other well enough. The alleged wintraders from previous seasons are still up top so that's something to keep in mind. The queue can be slow and that's probably the biggest problem in ranked cc at the moment. Evening times are probably best. I would add that the vast majority of ranked players I came accross were really good fun to play with and because there aren't all that many people climbing you get a chance to get used to playing with and against the same people without comms ever being involved.

Thanks, maybe I should give it a try, I'm ok with that sometimes people get carried (and I might get too) when you match random people together and that is just part of solo pvp experiece also I don't mind loosing since it's impossible to win every pvp match (at least for me with my current skills). I was just worried if ranked would also be filled with premade parties since if I could ever be plat or crystal skill level premade with same skill obivously will do better.

[Valence]

I'd be curious to see recordings of those claims, if you have some, and what makes you say that this surely must be premades, and how they manage to always land on the same team.

[myssy]

I'd be curious to see recordings of those claims, if you have some, and what makes you say that this surely must be premades, and how they manage to always land on the same team.

I might be sometimes wrong but probabilities how many times can 5 randoms land in to same team, pf reqruitments ingame and talking about queue syncing on PvP discord and reqruitments on there makes me think that queue syncing is happening. How much is more of a question.

[Chiyeko]

Well people can que up sync just using the real life time or Eorzea time. This happen multiple times before and a few on twitch channel showing it off for cc and a few FL with using vc to organized possible wins.

[Valence]

How do they ensure they all end up in the same team? I'm genuinely curious.

[Xylira]

How do they ensure they all end up in the same team? I'm genuinely curious.

It seems like the queue system doesn't do a good, or any, job to randomize filling out teams, but rather fills them in order of who entered the match queue. i.e. it fills one team to full first with who is at the front of the queue, then goes on to the next team to fill, then the next. If 5 people queue for CC at the exact same time, they're more likely to get dumped into the same team together. Similarly for FL, if two 4 man teams queue up at the exact same time, the queue system seems to prefer to shove those two teams together in the same alliance, if not the same full party even.

There also appears to be some potential further manipulation of the queue going on, but I don't entirely understand how or why it works. More often than not if I end up in an FL match against a blatantly obvious full party premade on an opposing team, there's also a very high chance that the team I ended up on started the match short by several players. This could be related to some method of manipulating the queue, by having several people queue for frontlines to get a match to pop, but then not actually accepting the match. Maybe the dropped players somehow persuades the queue into matching queue syncers together on the same team, I'm not sure. It's entirely possible it's coincidence, or maybe actually more proof of the prior issue of the way the queue system fills out teams. It just seems too happen together too often not to notice a pattern.

[myssy]

I have been wondering lately is queue syncing allowed? Often I see advertisements for groups doing that in party finder and discords but I don't wan't to risk my account or break the rules and I have no idea if queue syncing is allowed. If I could join them that would kinda solve my issues but until I'm sure I can't take the chance. This is why I really wish that SE would talk to us about rules more openly so that I would know what is allowed and what is not.

[myssy]

It seems like the queue system doesn't do a good, or any, job to randomize filling out teams, but rather fills them in order of who entered the match queue. i.e. it fills one team to full first with who is at the front of the queue, then goes on to the next team to fill, then the next. If 5 people queue for CC at the exact same time, they're more likely to get dumped into the same team together. Similarly for FL, if two 4 man teams queue up at the exact same time, the queue system seems to prefer to shove those two teams together in the same alliance, if not the same full party even.

There also appears to be some potential further manipulation of the queue going on, but I don't entirely understand how or why it works. More often than not if I end up in an FL match against a blatantly obvious full party premade on an opposing team, there's also a very high chance that the team I ended up on started the match short by several players. This could be related to some method of manipulating the queue, by having several people queue for frontlines to get a match to pop, but then not actually accepting the match. Maybe the dropped players somehow persuades the queue into matching queue syncers together on the same team, I'm not sure. It's entirely possible it's coincidence, or maybe actually more proof of the prior issue of the way the queue system fills out teams. It just seems too happen together too often not to notice a pattern.

In discord they say they use language settings too. Like everyone chooses japan in eu or na servers. Based on what I have read from discord it's not 100% chance that they all land in to same team but good enough chance that it's worth organizing discord events around that. I have never done it sicne I don't know if it's allowed but people definately do it. It works better when there are less people in queue I think, like in eu most queue syncing happens around lunch time and few hours from that. A part of me really wan'ts to join them since I used to always play cc around that time but I'm hoping that SE would clarify their rules about queue syncing at some point.