People Enjoy hard Games

[IckeDerTyp]

There aren't any hard games anyway.

Maybe like... Playing fighting games versus people that know what they're doing, anything else tho - you can do fine by just using your brainpower a tiny bit.

I think the main reasons for ER and BG3 being this well received is because they're honest.

No stupid cosmetic dlc day one. No stupid flashing store button in your menu. Just proper, honest to god games that don't try and squeeze as much money out of you, for as little content as possible.

Let's hope more people will realize that, and maybe MAYBEEEE we'll even get an okay AC game out of it :>

Did lose all hope for FF games tho. Maybe Starfield is gonna be okay too?
But I think the Corp is too deep in that one aswell.

Tlr these games aren't even hard or good, they're just not superbly shoddy like anything else xD

[Adeacia]

The problem is that people want the game to cater to what they personally find hard. People that have played for years and try to optimize everything. They want the entire game to be hard enough to be hard for them, which will do nothing but kill the playerbase as most players quit, which has been shown in a great many mmos in the past.

I agree that the game should get harder over time, but there has to be an upper limit, or again, people will just quit. Having various difficulty levels that are completely optional I can get behind, like the game already has. They just can't do that for the MSQ, should be obvious as to why. Don't try to gatekeep.

[Supersnow845]

As has been said many times people want high skill ceilings not necessarily high skill floors

Does anyone here truly think that playing the MSQ as a healer is a good experience

Give vets something to do without leaving casuals behind is all people have really ever asked for (well at least the normal sane veterans), I’d like to not fall asleep doing the MSQ

[Arrius]

M+0 is a thing though ? That's very much casual enough, doable by literally everyone, and low keys arent too bad as well, as for raiding LFR is a good candidate for casual play, and the usual outside activities, flintstone farm etc.

Outside M+ and raids, there isn't much else to do. Finished your weekly quests and the world quests that dotted the zones, and those areas are empty without any other content. Back then at the very least you had things like the Tillers and Archeology for side-activities, but ... yeaaaah.

[SophiaDL]

Outside M+ and raids, there isn't much else to do. Finished your weekly quests and the world quests that dotted the zones, and those areas are empty without any other content. Back then at the very least you had things like the Tillers and Archeology for side-activities, but ... yeaaaah.

I can agree with that yeah, I mean I play wow pretty casually as of right now and I'm having fun, I do my daily stuff, and also a lot of random bgs which are very fun as MW, it keeps me busy all day honestly.

[Themarvin]

I find it interesting that everyone criticizes forum posters asking for harder content and they dismiss us for being the vocal minority on these forums but to be honest we may be somewhat of the silent majority with a few outspoken people.

The game has repeatedly doubled down on making itself easier because it has been under the false impression that people calling for an easier game were in fact the majority.

If anything, market trends have telling data that a games difficulty is actually something gamers enjoy. If we take a look at Baldurs Gate and Elden ring both of them became main stream hits despite being more difficult titles to beat, and they both outperformed FFXVI which is a story game with incredibly easy gameplay.

We could argue that using the PS5 platform only hurt them however, it doesn't change the fact that making an engaging and difficult game DOES NOT mean you are reducing your playerbase and hurting the games bottom line.

In short, XIV is too easy, and recent commercial successes reveal there is no reason to dumb the game down to where it is today.

Unlike everything else, then the FFXIV team learn stuff... when they see stuff out there.

Yes alot of the daily stuff is in general easy, however it comes with a twist as if you want a difficulty you can actually get it as well.... MMORPG and RPG is two different types of games as well... with an MMO you REALLY must cater to the masses first of all meaning everyone should be able to play the game.

However I don't think it is impossible for them to make a more interesting line of difficulty, problem is, you can't just do it like that.

[SophiaDL]

Unlike everything else, then the FFXIV team learn stuff... when they see stuff out there.

Yes alot of the daily stuff is in general easy, however it comes with a twist as if you want a difficulty you can actually get it as well.... MMORPG and RPG is two different types of games as well... with an MMO you REALLY must cater to the masses first of all meaning everyone should be able to play the game.

However I don't think it is impossible for them to make a more interesting line of difficulty, problem is, you can't just do it like that.

Final Fantasy XIV/Initial release date
September 30, 2010

I think they had time to do it.

[ThaCa]

Optimally the game would have some content for all skill levels, but current situation is that the easy side is stacked ridiculously high, mid level is basically non-existent and the hard section has a small-ish.

They are basically building themselves in corner with the game as there isn't really very good stepping stones for newer players to ease into the harder content, it's quite a leap instead. If you don't make the leap you are basically stuck within the easy content for all game.

Sadly the rigidity of their current gearing and content cycle, it is extremely unlikely that they will open this up and restructure into more stabile learning curve and sufficient rewards on the way.

[Aword3213]

Don't forget: they should also do it as a Hrothgar + AST.

No job swapping allowed.

What's wrong with Hrothgar AST?

[Tint]

Need more context.

We have more hard content than ever while the jobs are easier to play. Now tank busters have a red mark above your head so you don't have to remember when to press your cooldowns anymore...

Ex trials, unreal trial, savage raids, ultimate raids, criterion, deep dungeon... In ShB we had solo duels and Delubrum savage... What's with Blue Mage stuff isn't there challenging content as well?

Or is it all too easy and only savage and ultimate counts?

But what's with the other stuff? That's no easy duty finder content as well. So maybe we have midcore content after all?

Context please.