Variant/Criterion dungeons are more dead than Bozja/Eureka ever were

[Supersnow845]

How is that abusing, its how the content was designed to be run.

Anyone can do it, you just need to put some effort into collecting the logos actions, BA fragments and gear.
But we know putting effort into anything ingame is the opposite of what people want, so i'll be over here in my BiS maxed out BLM Eureka Gear with Cassie Earring and Blitzring, Elder and MburstL doing 30-40% of the raids damage... because i put the effort into obtaining everything for it.

I don’t mean abusing as in breaking any rules I simply mean abusing in that the content wasn’t balanced around the kind of damage you do in elemental +2 chain DE’ing with 5/2 and the Cassie earring and speed belt

It’s totally valid and high level play but the content isn’t designed around it is all I mean, don’t imply I’m too lazy to do it, I do it myself every day, I pour millions of Gil into BA daily

[Ransu]

You WILL get Island Sanctuary 2.0
You WILL get more criterion dungeons with no rewards
You will NOT get new field operations
And you WILL be happy.

I will be happy, because bozja and eureka suck.

[Supersnow845]

I will be happy, because bozja and eureka suck.

Because as has been established many times 14 players would rather be given no content than content that actually makes them rub together two brain cells

Easier to parrot yoshi p’s quote about playing other games than to actually play 14

[Kaurhz]

It's not a surprise, really.

Not giving any form of proper rewards to this content is really the biggest mistake they've ever made with it.

The sad thing is that V&C is actually fairly enjoyable, if I am honest, there's just no reason to actually keep going with it on a regular or even semi-regular basis.

I think if I were to do this myself...

- More duty actions incorporated.
- Gear introduced into both of them (Maybe 640/645 for Normal, and then Savage being 655/660)
- Removal of Potsherds, replaced with Lockboxes and a larger scope of rewards (Older ShB map rewards, a couple of mounts, and minions, triple triad cards, Materia, primal weapons, outright glamour items, e.g., Red Ribbon, and Demimateria/Allagan Coins)
- Tied into relics, as an option. e.g., possible to get the items as an outright drop.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It's not a surprise, really.

Not giving any form of proper rewards to this content is really the biggest mistake they've ever made with it.

The sad thing is that V&C is actually fairly enjoyable, if I am honest, there's just no reason to actually keep going with it on a regular or even semi-regular basis.

I think if I were to do this myself...

- More duty actions incorporated.
- Gear introduced into both of them (Maybe 640/645 for Normal, and then Savage being 655/660)
- Removal of Potsherds, replaced with Lockboxes and a larger scope of rewards (Older ShB map rewards, a couple of mounts, and minions, triple triad cards, Materia, primal weapons, outright glamour items, e.g., Red Ribbon, and Demimateria/Allagan Coins)
- Tied into relics, as an option. e.g., possible to get the items as an outright drop.

Agree with every single point here. I will also add having a V&C roulette now that were about to get a 3rd dungeon and if they keep up with adding a new one every patch (I doubt it).

[Oizen]

I will be happy, because bozja and eureka suck.

Oh man if we removed and stopped making content based on opinions like this than this game would be a virtual chatroom with exactly one room.

[Denji]

The rewards are crap, there's a bit of story if you're into that but most of it is like... Oh, the princess's parents liked to had tea once also there's a zombie. You could go as far as to say that Amalj'aa and Ul'dah used to be more friendly with one-another until Ul'dah shat all over that but that was already well known since they're famous for doing stuff like locking a sentient, sapient species underground in an abandoned mine for literal decades because it became less profitable and the fact that a whole slew of other content points out how the Amalj'aa basically taught them how to smith and other nonsense and they exploited the beastmen.

I'm sorry but I don't really care for helping a princess believe she totally solved the mystery herself and did all the hard work and then getting a crappy piece of glamour jewelry but only if you're lucky since most the time it's a pathetic firework.

I just. Gah. Why. This is what we get instead of bozja? Really? You're telling me this is the best you can come up with?

[Ransu]

Because as has been established many times 14 players would rather be given no content than content that actually makes them rub together two brain cells

Easier to parrot yoshi p’s quote about playing other games than to actually play 14

Because mind numbingly boring fate grinds requires so much thought process *eye roll*

VC is great content, especially the criterions. 4 man savage tier content is great. They just need to change the reward structure to make worth doing the savage version more appealing.

Oh man if we removed and stopped making content based on opinions like this than this game would be a virtual chatroom with exactly one room.

So you'd rather do content that can basically be done by a bot over an actual savage tier dungeon? I'll never understand the appeal of places like Bozja where its just zerging from one fate to another, with the only thing even slightly interesting is the boss fates. I'd take criterion over bozja any day of the week. They just need to fix the reward structure. Gear progression in general needs a massive overhaul. Raids, for example, need to actually require gear progression. Being able to clear the entire tier in entry level crafted gear is really dumb. Criterion would make for a great secondary progression to go along with the savage raids.

[Koros]

Because mind numbingly boring fate grinds requires so much thought process *eye roll*

VC is great content, especially the criterions. 4 man savage tier content is great. They just need to change the reward structure to make worth doing the savage version more appealing.

is that why you haven't cleared any of them

[ZiraZ]

They need to make the crit mount unsellable, blows my mind you can sell the best reward on the MB, somehow I don't think extremes/utlimates/etc would be as popular if you could just buy the rewards on the MB.