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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    /scratches head

    /shrug

    Never change, Semi.
    I'm not sure what's unclear about it. You admit to wanting the skill ceiling barely above the floor, both at ankle height frequently enough. I merely point out that the Occam's Razor'd explanation for this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    "Sorry, WHM, but there exists a group of healers split among the whole role --not necessarily within your job-- who would much prefer that they can play a job that can clear all content with very little cognitive load and that even what skill ceiling that would produce value only beyond what is required for clears in Extremes, Savage Raids, and so forth should not exist because they wish to feel that they are playing the job to its full potential, so we'll need to truncate WHM in order to ensure that these players have a home for themselves.
    • Do not mind that they could see next door in any of the neighboring jobs that they could otherwise do far more, making the whole effort pointless.
    • Do not mind that most of them do not play Extreme Trials, Savage Raids, or Ultimates anyways.
    • Do not mind that there would be absolutely no cost to their ability to clear from having excess skill ceiling. (Please forget that even the Raid enrage known to be tightest in the game outside of Ultimate, Gordias Savage, was cleared at barely over minimum ilvl on Day 1 of its release in China, simply because familiarity with its mechanics mattered so much more than the maximum output those raiders could produce.)
    • Do not mind that it is proportionately likely that these most players, spread across each healer job, already do not play WHM for reasons other than it being 'too hard'.
    • Do not mind that it many of these players are not even going to be aware of, nor most of them care, what optimizations they could make beyond what is necessary, removing nearly merit to arbitrarily limiting this job's skill ceiling.
    • Do not mind how many players actually do like WHM's aesthetics but are not among this minority spread among each healer job and would rather not have their job arbitrarily limited.
    • Do not mind that these player more than likely will go on playing what jobs they preferred, heedless of whether or not those jobs would gain further skill ceiling.
    • Do not mind that your job has gotten the shit end of the stick yet again."
    is that those who hold this position primarily about restricting other people want it to be impossible to play the job better than they do. Ironically, the leap to conclusions about personal envy or embarrassment required from that position is about as high as the proposed skill ceiling.

    No, you are.

    your position is explicitly exclusive since it demands all Jobs conform to your model with no exceptions, which also requires not only a majority but a DOMINANT and NEAR TOTAL majority should agree with it. You want to shift the onus onto me which your own claim is the one that demands.

    My argument isn't exclusive since it allows variance. Your argument is exclusive because it does not. It excludes any alternative, and any players who do not enjoy your system.
    This is standard Ren "If YOU have an opinion, you need collated survey data that proves a supermajority of everyone on Earth agrees with you in order for your opinion to matter at all.

    If *I* have an opinion, some people believe it somewhere and you can't prove how many do so it's probably a nebulously huge number therefore my opinion is the best solution and you need to prove fewer than two people hold this opinion to properly counter it."
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 08-15-2023 at 08:07 AM.