Is there a learning curve for tanking *alliance* raids?

[Omedon]

I am begging people to stop treating tanks like some sort of god like creature that carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. It is literally the easiest role in the game.

I came from a game where the unwritten rule of tanking is "don't be new on other people's time," an ethic that FFXIV is not immune to. The role ultimately isn't "hard," but it does come with high expectations from the entrenched, experienced playerbase, where their vaunted and legitimate kindness sometimes translates into passive-aggressive "just FYI, this is what's expected at this level" type language... which I can personally attest to being subjected to. Duty support goes all the way up now, so literally any level can be a tank's first dungeon among live players and their """expectations""". So no, the gameplay ultimately isn't hard... Its responsibilities, much like healers, just add another layer of "tanxiety" once the community's """expectations""" are put into play.

it really is a one-braincell role, and yet people still fail again and again.

Case in point. People can be learning at any level, and they walk into a group with experienced players and are not guaranteed to know what they are doing as it relates to community """expectations""".

So I agree with you, Saraide... to a point, but there's nuance when you have a community as hyperfocused on "don't waste my time" as MMORPGs can be... and the FFXIV community is absolutely not immune to this, they just phrase it more kindly.

[Koros]

I came from a game where the unwritten rule of tanking is "don't be new on other people's time," an ethic that FFXIV is not immune to. The role ultimately isn't "hard," but it does come with high expectations from the entrenched, experienced playerbase, where their vaunted and legitimate kindness sometimes translates into passive-aggressive "just FYI, this is what's expected at this level" type language... which I can personally attest to being subjected to. Duty support goes all the way up now, so literally any level can be a tank's first dungeon among live players and their """expectations""". So no, the gameplay ultimately isn't hard... Its responsibilities, much like healers, just add another layer of "tanxiety" once the community's """expectations""" are put into play.



Case in point. People can be learning at any level, and they walk into a group with experienced players and are not guaranteed to know what they are doing as it relates to community """expectations""".

So I agree with you, Saraide... to a point, but there's nuance when you have a community as hyperfocused on "don't waste my time" as MMORPGs can be... and the FFXIV community is absolutely not immune to this, they just phrase it more kindly.

tanxiety is not real get over yourself seriously

1) see add? A left B center C right, turn on tank stance and tank
2) separate adds

that's it that's your entire job

[Zeastria]

tanxiety is not real get over yourself seriously

Tanxiety is anxiety, so yes it exist..

[Anonemoose]

Tanxiety is anxiety, so yes it exist..

I want to believe that this is satire but for some reason I think you're actually serious.

[Saraide]

I came from a game where the unwritten rule of tanking is "don't be new on other people's time," an ethic that FFXIV is not immune to. The role ultimately isn't "hard," but it does come with high expectations from the entrenched, experienced playerbase, where their vaunted and legitimate kindness sometimes translates into passive-aggressive "just FYI, this is what's expected at this level" type language... which I can personally attest to being subjected to. Duty support goes all the way up now, so literally any level can be a tank's first dungeon among live players and their """expectations""". So no, the gameplay ultimately isn't hard... Its responsibilities, much like healers, just add another layer of "tanxiety" once the community's """expectations""" are put into play.



Case in point. People can be learning at any level, and they walk into a group with experienced players and are not guaranteed to know what they are doing as it relates to community """expectations""".

So I agree with you, Saraide... to a point, but there's nuance when you have a community as hyperfocused on "don't waste my time" as MMORPGs can be... and the FFXIV community is absolutely not immune to this, they just phrase it more kindly.

Tanxiety is not real. It's you being afraid of something you made up in your mind because you refuse to learn how to tank. Worse, you give up before you even begin. Tanking is extremely easy. I say this because there isnt even a lot you can do as tank. There is nothing to learn at a basic level. The skill floor is so low anyone using their brain and paying attention already clears it before even going into their first duty as tank.

[PercibelTheren]

Tanxiety is not real. It's you being afraid of something you made up in your mind because you refuse to learn how to tank. Worse, you give up before you even begin. Tanking is extremely easy. I say this because there isnt even a lot you can do as tank. There is nothing to learn at a basic level. The skill floor is so low anyone using their brain and paying attention already clears it before even going into their first duty as tank.

Tanxiety is very real. It took me a while to overcome it. I tried tanking in other games and was flamed for pulling too slow, too fast, not the right way, everything. NOT advised. Just cursed at constantly. Thus, I became scared to even touch the role and it took me months of playing XIV to even touch the role. No, tanking isn't hard, but it's a lot of responsibility and if you come from games where people yell at you for every small mistake, being anxious is perfectly understandable.

[Koros]

Tanxiety is very real. It took me a while to overcome it. I tried tanking in other games and was flamed for pulling too slow, too fast, not the right way, everything. NOT advised. Just cursed at constantly. Thus, I became scared to even touch the role and it took me months of playing XIV to even touch the role. No, tanking isn't hard, but it's a lot of responsibility and if you come from games where people yell at you for every small mistake, being anxious is perfectly understandable.

grow a thicker skin

[EgilTheStressedMage]

No. All Alliance raids are extremely easy with some being less easy.

[Saraide]

Tanxiety is very real. It took me a while to overcome it. I tried tanking in other games and was flamed for pulling too slow, too fast, not the right way, everything. NOT advised. Just cursed at constantly. Thus, I became scared to even touch the role and it took me months of playing XIV to even touch the role. No, tanking isn't hard, but it's a lot of responsibility and if you come from games where people yell at you for every small mistake, being anxious is perfectly understandable.

Then you probably didnt even bother to learn how to the tank in your previous games either. I hate the idea that tanking is so much responsibility in ff14 because it paints it like dps have no responsibility at all when there is no functional difference between on pull of a boss taking 30 minutes because the dps are insanely bad or 2 attempts 15 minutes each with one wipe because the tank is bad. If you bothered to learn how to tank at a basic level (which is something you can do before even entering any duty in this game) then you wouldnt have to be scared of demons you made up in your head.

[Eisi]

grow a thicker skin

He did, didn't he? He said:

Tanxiety is very real. It took me a while to overcome it.

Regarding the issue in general, if you are anxious I think you should ask yourself the question: How do you feel when people who are not experienced at a task make a mistake? Do you get annoyed, do you regard it as an unwelcome inconvenience?

It's just a hypothesis, but I think a lot of people who suffer from "tanxiety" or "healxiety" might actually secretly agree with people who condemn failure, which is why they feel the way they do - if they fuck up and someone gets angry at them, they understand and agree with that reaction and they would get pissed because of others in a similar situation as well. That's cool, but you should be aware of it and state that as your belief - "I am not comfortable tanking content I don't know yet, because I think it's inappropriate for someone to take that responsibility without having a degree of experience with it." You are taking on an active role rather than pretend like you're hindered by circumstance.

If that's not the case for you, you would of course have to do another quite taxing task: Disagree with the people who would condemn you for your failure. It's not a big deal if someone's not comfortable - everyone has the right to not be convenient once in a while, including the people who get annoyed by you making mistakes and who have forgotten what it's like being a beginner a long time ago. Among those are of course also haters who love being dismissive of others and seek to flame - you can easily dismiss them as mentally challenged.

Or you can just shut down and pretend that disagreements and conflict of even the most inconsequential and meaningless kind are bad. That way you don't get to do what you want though. And at the end of the day, what's the worst that could happen? If you realize the ridiculousness in whatever answer you come up with you realize that your fear is really an emotion so fundamentally inappropriate that if you took it seriously you couldn't even walk out your door anymore because the world is just too much to handle.