Square Enix, it's time to come clean about your plans for the future

[Heroman3003]

Imagine being so triggered at factual information about company's own unhidden plans on game's future, you label them as copium. The only thing being huffed here is doomium in desperate attempt to justify one's dislike of game by trying to convince everyone its *really about to fail for real now guys, just you wait one more month/patch/year/expansion*.

[Koros]

Imagine being so triggered at factual information about company's own unhidden plans on game's future, you label them as copium. The only thing being huffed here is doomium in desperate attempt to justify one's dislike of game by trying to convince everyone its *really about to fail for real now guys, just you wait one more month/patch/year/expansion*.

there are so many firms that get a WINDFALL and attribute it to their own success, then few years later they fail when they realize it's a fluke

the WoW crisis was a windfall. it has nothing to do with FF14's own success

[Jojoya]

spoken like a true casual

you need it for criterion savage and ultimates

You're assuming there's a new Ultimate due for release that requires the Savage ilvl. That's not always the case, nor does everyone who does Savage do Ultimate.

Haven't you been one of the ones proclaiming Criterion Savage as dead content because there's no reward?

But considering you've been complaining about a lack of things to do, you now have something to do - farm for multiple sets of Savage gear for Ultimates and Criterion Savage. Isn't that wonderful?!

Players should be rewarded for spending the time and effort, and working as a team, to clear the most difficult content. So, it has a valid function of existing and to those players it isn't irrelevant.

Surprised in XIV that it isn't more powerful than other games. Raiders v. Casuals in other games I've played had a massive chasm in gear. (Of course the raid content vs. casual content also had a massive chasm in difficulty.)

Which MMORPGs would that be? WoW doesn't anymore, though it is slower to gear as a casual than as a Mythic raider. Players with the interest shouldn't have difficulty getting a 15 done once a week.

Well Account or character from July 2023, if you want to be taken serious you need to be on a person with a longer stay to have any credibility, else just another troll, sorry to say so.

But it look more like you need to find a different game to play, if anything.

It's Titanmen. Need I say more?

raids absolutely keep your sub hostage if you're a high-end raider lmao

Which is why members of Echo and Limit take a break from WoW to have some fun clearing Savage and Ultimate here then bounce right back to WoW where their sub is kept hostage by the need to gear for the next tier? Not to mention the need to do carries purchased in advance for gold they needed to buy gear and consumables for the next world first race. or promised the player in exchange for giving up Heroic loot during split runs to their members.

Please, the only thing keeping anyone's FFXIV sub hostage is their own obsessions with "gotta have it". They don't need Savage gear for every single job. They don't need to keep a house in a game they aren't playing more than 2 months a year at best.

Yall reap what you sow

/shrug

If he's posting for the entertainment, then we might as well do the same.

The goalposts have officially been moved. Current raid gear is needed for things like Criterion savage and ultimates, making it something you need to get if you want to do those.

But how many players participate at all in those, let alone on every single job?

there are so many firms that get a WINDFALL and attribute it to their own success, then few years later they fail when they realize it's a fluke

the WoW crisis was a windfall. it has nothing to do with FF14's own success

The WoW crisis appears to be over from what players have said. If it was a complete fluke, they should have all gone back to WoW by now.

Instead, many have stayed. Some have quit WoW altogether, others are now playing both games. SE is still more successful now than they were pre-Shadowbringers.

Regardless of how you feel, I suspect SE is pretty satisfied.

[TheNight]

Maybe that fat Moogle head really rots the brain from inside out because the fundamental concept that just because something is weekly gated doesn't mean that it's actually content doesn't seem to be able to get past that thick exoskull.

[Shinkuno]

All we need to know about the immedeate future is that even prior to Endwalker's release, they already had plans for at least 3 more expansions after, up to as far as 9.0. And with Endwalker being an immedeate success by pretty much every metric except forum's contentness (which it really never is, so that point's moot), I wouldn't doubt that development pipeline has been pre-extended to as far as 10.0 by now.

Endwalker really wasnt a success past the intial hype from angry ex-wow players. Steamcharts tells us all there is to know. And you are absolute on copium if you think they plan 6-7 years into the future. If they planned that far ahead ARR wouldnt been such a messy codebase.

[Jojoya]

Maybe that fat Moogle head really rots the brain from inside out because the fundamental concept that just because something is weekly gated doesn't mean that it's actually content doesn't seem to be able to get past that thick exoskull.

You've been off your game this weekend. You're scraping bottom here.

Everything you can do in the game is content. Whether it is content you're interested in doing is up to you.

If you're not interested in doing any of it, why are you here?

Endwalker really wasnt a success past the intial hype from angry ex-wow players. Steamcharts tells us all there is to know. And you are absolute on copium if you think they plan 6-7 years into the future. If they planned that far ahead ARR wouldnt been such a messy codebase.

Yet players like you are still here subscribed to the game. That's a success in the eyes of a business trying to make money.

Steamcharts tell us what FFXIV who play through Steam are doing. It tells us nothing of the PS4/5 players. It tells us nothing of the PC/Mac players who don't play through Steam. If you looked at my activity on Steam, you'd think I never play anything Cities: Skylines and Darkest Dungeon.

As for planning ahead, ARR's problems mostly came from trying to push out a full game that normally would take 4-5 years to develop in less than 2 not to mention the promise to support a console that was a decade old. The planning ahead has come after they managed to get ARR released. They probably do have a rough outline of their plans for the over the next 10 years. But just because something is tentatively planned now for 10 years from now doesn't mean they won't change those plans over time. Plans can change.

[Heroman3003]

there are so many firms that get a WINDFALL and attribute it to their own success, then few years later they fail when they realize it's a fluke

the WoW crisis was a windfall. it has nothing to do with FF14's own success

I never made any argument about longevity or source of success, nor about how successful their plans will be or whether they will even reach those plans. All I stated is that the 'uncertain future' is not uncertain at all in SE's eyes. In their eyes, they reached insane success with Shadowbringers, did same thing again and reached same success with Endwalker and already made plans for 3 more expansions. Those expansions may be worst things to happen, Dawntrail may bomb so hard the plans they made will be cancelled, the success so far may have been due to all other MMOs fluking in various ways, etc. It doesn't matter to the topic at hand, that being the plans for the game by SE - those are rather obvious and clear. The next expansion will be another repeat of Shadowbringers/Endwalker formula and if it is successful by financial and numerical metrics, formula won't change for one after, or one after that. Whether that's a good or a bad thing, is entirely up to anyone to decide for themselves.

[Heroman3003]

Endwalker really wasnt a success past the intial hype from angry ex-wow players. Steamcharts tells us all there is to know. And you are absolute on copium if you think they plan 6-7 years into the future. If they planned that far ahead ARR wouldnt been such a messy codebase.

I do remember game outlets reporting, shortly prior to Endwalker, that internal roadmap was extended as far as 9.0. In recent interview, Yoshida pretty much confirmed that, saying they have plans for 'at least two more expansions after Dawntrail'. Frankly, until those recent news, it was kinda hard to believe those older reports myself, but now I have no reason not to, regardless of what that means. And also, it is entirely possible they DIDN'T plan that far ahead back in ARR, but are now. Or maybe they have plans longterm that are constantly changing and shifting to accomodate things, and nothing is concrete beyond 'yeah we think we can keep it going up until 9.0'. But either way, with those types of projects, at least financially, the plans DO have to be WAY ahead of time, with how long development cycles can be, at least one full expansions ahead. Just didn't expect them to be three, but again, who the hell knows how much of those plans is actually, well, planned.

[Amnmaat]

I don't think xiv can survive an exodus; and I'd argue the formula for the exodus is here. The 4.5 months patch cycle and 1 whole year from last patch to new expansion is testing the patience of those who've put up with less and less long term content every expansion.

Soon you will see something like "this game respects my support, unlike that 2 hour msq game every 4.5 game."

You all should be thankful there are still people who care; people like Koros are doing you all a favor. There will be one day when the decline is so bad that the game will be bleeding players left and right.

[TheNight]

The fat Moogle thinks 20,000 Accursed Hoards is content.

The amusement park will rot and wither with no customers and the fat Moogle will still scream that there's entertainment.