At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[Supersnow845]

I think I owe my gratitude to these absolutely terrible troll posts you manage to pump out day in and day out. If you focused your creative efforts in something lucrative you may find it actually bears fruit.

I’m sure these people would actually prefer to be playing 14 but there is no content

Seriously the fandom is in full on doom posting mode and DT is a year away at a minimum

[Minifie]

I’m sure these people would actually prefer to be playing 14 but there is no content

Seriously the fandom is in full on doom posting mode and DT is a year away at a minimum

15 or so (maybe less depending on multiple accounts) are doomposting on a singular community (these forums). Other places rightfully do have critical components to the game, but I haven't found a doomposting community yet: Maybe they exist in small bubbles, or smaller discord servers and the like, but EW hasn't been some monumental failure: The Relic weapon situation is bland but acceptable if it isn't a standard-affair for all future relics (though more ways to grind materials in the grindy phase is a welcome change if kept). A lack of an exploration zone would be worth doomposting but we had 2/3 in the last 3 expansions: If Dawntrail fails to deliver one then it's worth concern (there was no DD in Shb nor a second ultimate, savage was also long in the tooth for eden's verse where DSR-ult would have been dropped).

At this point it seems similar to MoP doomposting: The game was still very good, but had changed up a lot of things that weren't necessarily palatable to the main audience of WoW. WoD, on the other hand, was a dumpster fire. I'll join the Doomposters if DT shits the bed, and yes, although I am not a fan of exploration zones, the fact people enjoy them means I hope they arent' retired or neglected, but I would also be okay if they were also produced "when the devs can produce a good one" and not just cyclical to expansions either. EW has been pretty good, but it has some blatant misses (damn if CC isn't DoA with ranked not degrading, isle sanctuary is very rudimentary and lacking in the one thing that would have made it sublime content: Instanced island housing proper), and no open world zone for those who like that. The raids have been good, ultimates have been awesome, I like EO minus the first 20 floors being glacial in pace and the story has been fine. If this is the "worst case" scenario for an xpac >I< am at least satisfied with it.

Some of the class changes, though, have been between atrocious and "decent". Why did smn lose so much gameplay identity to get VISUALLY upgraded (the egi summons are pretty baller, shame about half the rest of the kit) but play worse than dnc? Why did NIN have that awful raiju movement glued on? MCH was trash for half an xpac and only now plays pretty okay. Meanwhile BLM is just flat out better, SCH has been more enjoyable with the shield and pet fixes, PLD is engaging but still not that ShB glory.

At the end of the day, EW just does what it needs to. I'm not unhappy/doomer about it, content that the good is still solid but the bad is a bit more niggling. For the sake of the Exp. zone enjoyers I hope a good one lands in DT; it's not my cup of tea but not all content needs to be.

[Supersnow845]

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The problem is repeatable content

Say you are a person who started any earlier than mid ShB so barring any very out of left field “I don’t start ShB till I have every eureka relic” this group has totally caught up on the MSQ, the MSQ aside (eden, coils, ShB job story etc) and has probably dabbled in most casual content to an extent (eureka, Bozja, fishing, ishgard restoration)

For this group of players (which also includes anyone who started later and plays more than 2 hours a day) what repeatable content did EW offer that encourages them to log on more than 2 days after the patch, criterion/variant died on release due to a lack of reward structure and variant is basically just another dungeon with a fake illusion of choice, EO is Just a third reskin of POTD with nothing unique and unlike the other 2 is very new person unfriendly due to how overscaled 1-30 is, island sanctuary automates itself and even before that is basically vanilla gathering for people who never levelled the gatherers. Hell they even integrated the trial story into the MSQ so we don’t get a sorrow of werlyt style story this expansion

What are these players who genuinely want to play supposed to do in EW, as a legacy player this has been the worst content drought since legacy itself and that is a very very low bar to clear considering legacy didn’t have any content

[Minifie]

The problem is repeatable content

Say you are a person who started any earlier than mid ShB so barring any very out of left field “I don’t start ShB till I have every eureka relic” this group has totally caught up on the MSQ, the MSQ aside (eden, coils, ShB job story etc) and has probably dabbled in most casual content to an extent (eureka, Bozja, fishing, ishgard restoration)

For this group of players (which also includes anyone who started later and plays more than 2 hours a day) what repeatable content did EW offer that encourages them to log on more than 2 days after the patch, criterion/variant died on release due to a lack of reward structure and variant is basically just another dungeon with a fake illusion of choice, EO is Just a third reskin of POTD with nothing unique and unlike the other 2 is very new person unfriendly due to how overscaled 1-30 is, island sanctuary automates itself and even before that is basically vanilla gathering for people who never levelled the gatherers. Hell they even integrated the trial story into the MSQ so we don’t get a sorrow of werlyt style story this expansion

What are these players who genuinely want to play supposed to do in EW, as a legacy player this has been the worst content drought since legacy itself and that is a very very low bar to clear considering legacy didn’t have any content

Ah okay I get your argument, you are after INCREDIBLY specific content niche and if it isn't met the whole thing is bad. Unsub is the goal there, honestly, since the game isn't offering the thing you want.

[Supersnow845]

Ah okay I get your argument, you are after INCREDIBLY specific content niche and if it isn't met the whole thing is bad. Unsub is the goal there, honestly, since the game isn't offering the thing you want.

I would love a diagram of the mental gymnastics required to get that response out of the comment I made

[Minifie]

I would love a diagram of the mental gymnastics required to get that response out of the comment I made

I doubt I could make it simple enough that'd help you out, I'm afraid.

[Supersnow845]

I doubt I could make it simple enough that'd help you out, I'm afraid.

Implying you had to do some seriously complex gymnastics to achieve a totally different point than what I made

Thank you for the clarification