At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[Renathras]

No it's quantities, it's a mathematical term. I wouldn't bother correcting you if this wasn't a hilarious irony.

It is.

Quantity/quantitative means having a measurable value. For example "That person is 6 feet and 3 inches tall". These are generally going to be objective measurements using a standard measurement tool and system of some kind.

Contrast:

Quality/qualitative, which means not having a measurable (or not presently measured) value. For example "That person seems very tall". These are often subjective and are sometimes things that cannot actually be measured, such as "That person is very white", where the amount of "white" a person can be is not clearly defined and no standard of measurement exists.

But in this specific case, it's also for another reason, that it's an idiom:

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/known+quantity
"Someone or something whose inherent value, characteristics, or properties are previously established."

I do appreciate the irony mentioned.

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EDI:

Anyway, it's whatever. I guess it's just a cautionary thing to not be quick to get a dig in on someone when it can be avoided and generally agreement otherwise exists. Something I learned a long time ago: Never correct someone's spelling on the internet. 9 times out of 10, you WILL misspell, typo, or have autocorrect butcher a word and then they will pounce on you for your apparent faux pas. Better to just roll with it or ask "Did you mean...?" in case that it does lead to confusion ("You said to, did you mean two?") that you need clarified. And that we all can learn things from each other from time to time, too. /hug

[Koros]

not be quick to get a dig in on someone when it can be avoided

bro PLEASE you tried to school someone on slidecasting and got owned by 10 different people

you are literally the ONE person here who refuses to open your mind to anything

Ignoring the fact that Medica II as of Endwalker launch also shares 2s cast time with Medica I, your wording in this post particularly implies that 'any spells with [GCD =< Cast]-cast time cannot be slidecasted', when---as couple other have mentioned, you still can.

But then you doubled back later on:



So which is it now? I'm only pointing this out because you're giving off potential indication that you may have different--or worse, misconception of what a 'slidecasting' is.

And no, Slipstream is not even close on being clip-risky when their cast time is a tad shorter than its GCD. If any, only BLMs that will actually clip simply for existing because at least half of their spells have longer cast time than its own GCD, slidecasted or not.

[Renathras]

Like I said, I didn't know that there was another usage for that word, and I was factually incorrect. It happens and I admit when it does. But Renathras is the same guy who has spent a month refusing to admit that he was clearly wrong. It's fair game for him to point out that I'm wrong, and it's fair game to be a little smug about it, but he's being a hypocrite by giving the little speech at the end.

I admit when I'm wrong, but as I told you in that other thread and have before, you fell for a lie there. Someday I'll find the thread and the exact quote to show you I wasn't wrong about slidecasting. The issue was I was talking about the entire window of movement. I can even show you what part of the post Titanmen cut out if I find it again.

...but I didn't point out you being wrong on this. And I'm not smug about it. I don't like rubbing people's noses in being wrong, since that just increases the likelihood they will be more stubborn in the future and less likely to be rational or mature when they are wrong about things. I do like clearing things up, which is why I explained the difference between qual and quant, and linked to the idiom since it's kind of...it's own thing. I also learned the difference between cuando and cuanto in Spanish since it follows the same thing; how much vs how many I thought was cool, and it's one of those ways understanding words and roots and stuff can be useful. I know you dislike my post length, but I just...like words. I do apologize for being longwinded too much, though.

So it wasn't "giving a little speech". I just thought the distinction was cool and relevant, and specifically pointing out the idiom, since the idiom ("known quantity") is actually its own thing. That is, it wasn't the scientific use that was the issue. I figured maybe you had just never heard of the idiom before and wanted to share it with you. There was no judgment, smugness, or speech involved.

Not everyone knows everything, and I like both learning things and sharing knowledge with people.

bro PLEASE you tried to school someone on slidecasting and got owned by 10 different people

You mean when I posted this?

You have about 0.5 sec on a 2.5 sec cast. This is highly latency dependent and also results from the communication between sever and client. Try to slidecast with a Slipstream. You can, but you're very likely going to clip your GCD to do so. If you don't care, that's fine, you can do that. But that's what I'm referring to. You can get some motion, but you're cutting into your next CD with longer casts.

It is a pretty minimal DPS loss, so if you want to eat it, there's really nothing wrong with that.

I can get ~1 yalm on BLM after a Blizzard 3 cast from the time my emote lights up (allowing slidecast) until the GCD is finished and I can startcasting the next Blizzard 3. On the other hand, I can get around 7 on WHM after Glare (1.5 sec), or around 4 after Medica (2 sec).

Wait...what's that?

"on BLM after a Blizzard 3 cast from the time my emote lights up (allowing slidecast)"

WHAT'S THAT!?!?

I actually said that BLM can, in fact, SLIDECAST!? I even used the WORD slidecast for that!?

Slidecasting is when the cast time of an action is less than the GCD, allowing you free movement from (actually just before, but this is latency dependent) the cast ends until the GCD has completed and you can begin casting your following spell. All spells with cast times tend to have around a 0.5 sec window (again, depending on latency) to do this in. Spells with a cast time longer than the GCD don't typically allow much room for movement before the GCD can be activated for the next spell (High Fire/Blizzard have 3 sec cast times, for example, Fire 4 has a 2.8 sec cast time, and SMN's Slipstream has a 3.0; also RDM's Thunder/Aero if you're playing extremely poorly or your latency keeps failing to register your Dualcast buff), resulting in clipping. BLM main spells take up the entire GCD, leading to them having a very narrow slidecast window vs WHM's 1.5s casts, which allow for move movement. Even if we're talking Cure 2 and Medica, WHM still has a bigger slidecasting window than BLM's very much smaller one.

Both Jobs don't handle long movements with slidecasts, though, they handle them with instant casts or a lot of stutter-stepping prepositioning, and in BLM's case, its various instant cast tools and Aetherial Manipulation.

Note that ALL the parts in Bold, Titanmen/Koros removed from his quote of me that he put in his signature and started several threads about. I'm sick and tired of proving him wrong again and again and again on this.

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LET THE RECORD SHOW:

Ren has said BLM can slidecast.
Ren said BACK THEN that BLM could slidecast.
Ren said in the first post discussing it that BLM could slidecast.
Ren says today that BLM can slidecast.

The actual point of contention was that I considered the entire movement window in the discussion - since the discussion was about whether or not Jobs (healers) with cast time spells would be viable in current encounter design - and I was pointing out that this is a thing they could manage to do if the Devs wanted it.

A discussion that was completely unpended because half a dozen people were spurred on by a greater desire to attack me than to engage in the actual discussion, and which Titanmen/Koros tried to start threads and get the entire forum to attack me over, which got him a ban because it was THAT unhinged and harassment.

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Regardless, "open minded" isn't the term for that anyway. Open minded means being open to new ideas, not being rigid with the definition of a term. Strictly speaking, it doesn't even mean admitting one is wrong, it simply means being open to alternatives or new possibilities, even on things a person was agnostic or neutral on before.

Also, AwesomeJr, there's your proof. If you care to see it, anyway.

It's one thing if you want to dredge up old laundry. But it's not even my laundry in this case. If you REALLY want to associate yourself with the likes of Koros...I mean, feel free, I guess.

[AwesomeJr44]

Evidence?

This is more evidence than you've bothered to post in the past month combined, and it's not exactly helping your case. Quotes on the forums have links to their original threads, and things don't look great for you with the rest of the context there.

literally who are you trying to fool

Apparently he was trying to fool me. I gave Renathras a fair shot. I reviewed the evidence he gave, opening the thread, and took a look at the context. Nothing there makes him look any better. If there was actual proof that he was right there, I might have even considered apologizing (might, because he's been obnoxious for a month), but I don't see what he's trying to show me.

If you REALLY want to associate yourself with the likes of Koros...I mean, feel free, I guess.

Let me get this straight here. I am not associated with Koros or any of his accounts. I am not associated with Stormpeaks. Being like-minded with another person does not equate to association. If I disagree with Koros or Stormpeaks on something, I can and have in the past made that known. I have told Koros (specifically on his TheNight account) to chill in the past when he was ragging on people who were actually being genuinely positive. I have told Stormpeaks that they had L takes in the past. I have only ever run into Titanmen twice in-game and that's all the interaction I've ever had with either him or Stormpeaks outside of the forums.

What me, Koros, and Stormpeaks seem to be in agreement over is that you were wrong and that you've been an annoyance ever since. You were wrong, and you've been hyper-agressive ever since. I wasn't even involved in this whole debacle until you came into a thread and started being incredibly hostile to me for no reason. So if anyone is to blame for me being involved in this, it's you. You dragged me into your little tantrum, and then got mad because I swung back.