Tanking Adjustments - PLD/WAR

[Daniel_Fury]

I don't disagree they[pld] do hold hate well, and I've never really seen one that was played well lose it, I have seen a 50 pld get one shot w/ ~4k hp, it was hilarious even when we wiped as a result. I don't think for an instant it was a result of bad play on anyone's part, or a lack of gear/hp, but rather just a fluke that could have happened to anyone.
The other part of the problem, not so much on fights w/ a single boss, but other times is that pld really has no crowd hate control and since a single cure from your whm can shift hate on any mobs that aren't controlled it's a big problem. That's more a problem with mob group claiming/enmity than with the classes/jobs though.

Your absolutley right about people always looking for the safest/easiest way, I'm not against this, since at the end of the day it's really all about getting what your after and the fastest way makes sense. I think it's one of the fundemental flaws in the content that we have at the moment. Everything was built for A.D.D. play, nothing is long and slow, or even a happy medium, and pld with proper dmg mitigation and support skills is a true champion in the long and slow, where your mages end up at the low end of thier mp pools and the only reason they haven't run out completely is cause that pld has -35% pdt and -45% mdt, where the war needed more cures and we wiped cause the mages ran outta mp.
Bosses that shift between pdt and mdt modes, and switch between dmg output types in a less predictable fashion.

But I digress. Mostly I'm just saying I agree.

I'm glad we agree lol.

I know those unfortunate moments where people do get one shotted, (my guess is Coin Counter?) and I'm sure every tank has experienced it as part of the learning curve, it sucks. lol

Well, to stay on topic, I only have 2 fixes/addon that I would like to see.

Rampart - Make this deal with M DEF again. I know the elemental resistances help alot, from what I've seen. AoE Rampart your party and less people are going to take damage from AoE attacks, as well as damage reduction for M. Attacks directed at the PLD. This will once again help warrior I guess, so add the M.Def part as a trait.

Greatsword - Alot of people will disagree, but hell, I love greatswords and I miss them so much. That will at least GIVE us a reason to parry and allow our damage output to increase.

[Enfarious]

I'm glad we agree lol.

I know those unfortunate moments where people do get one shotted, (my guess is Coin Counter?) and I'm sure every tank has experienced it as part of the learning curve, it sucks. lol

Well, to stay on topic, I only have 2 fixes/addon that I would like to see.

Rampart - Make this deal with M DEF again. I know the elemental resistances help alot, from what I've seen. AoE Rampart your party and less people are going to take damage from AoE attacks, as well as damage reduction for M. Attacks directed at the PLD. This will once again help warrior I guess, so add the M.Def part as a trait.

Greatsword - Alot of people will disagree, but hell, I love greatswords and I miss them so much. That will at least GIVE us a reason to parry and allow our damage output to increase.

Enhanced Rampart(trait) - Adds a bonus to Def & M.Def (or a -P/MDT% reasonable not 90% but not 2% either)and extends duration of Rampart(enough to make it possible to maintain indefinitely or makes it into a remains in effect until reused), this trait only alters the effect on the person that uses the ability. ???

I think adding a few different types of weapons to each job/class would be really nice. Pug/Mnk w/ a staff, Mrd/War w/ a 2-handed Hammer, Cnj/Whm and Thm/Blm essentially already have this too along with their absurd dmg output they can switch between 2handed or 1handed w/ a shield, they shouldn't be the only ones to get something like this, I mean really they already have the stopping power to make other jobs look gimp, to let them have the gear options to boot that's just mean.....

God I'm so good at getting off topic