Let's talk about bot housing business

[Stormpeaks]

Yes, because someone being an officer in my FC means they're allowed no input in any conversations!

You and your meta drama friends really are running low on ammunition to throw at me, but carry on - You only embarass yourselves now that you've run out of arguements to make against me.

[Reinha]

Where did I suggest filing false flag reports against multiowners? I suggested that they should be investigated

Reporting is how things get investigated. If you report people for merely multiowning, you get the GM response I posted earlier in the thread. Wasting GM time and ignoring actual RMT ads will not accomplish what you want it to. But there's no point in me repeating it any more since this doesn't even affect my region and you aren't in this thread looking for solutions.

[AwesomeJr44]

No need to police what isn't against "the law".

Hell has frozen over. Jojoya is making sense.

on NA ? Sure, on EU we're chilling pretty much, there is housing for everyone, that's an NA issue

It's not even that much of an issue on NA as long as you're not going for the best plots in the game.

Just for context in the continuing conversation, Default Miqo'te is an officer in the FC that Archeron Rivendare leads. They're tag-teaming anyone that has been disagreeing with what Archeron posts.

Archeron, that's not cool bro.

Yes, because someone being an officer in my FC means they're allowed no input in any conversations!

Your officer that's probably also your friend just so happened to post in this specific thread on a forum account with almost no posts, and they just so happen to agree with you on pretty much everything. That seems like super natural input into the conversation. Totally not inorganic at all!

You and your meta drama friends really are running low on ammunition to throw at me, but carry on - You only embarass yourselves now that you've run out of arguements to make against me.

You're the one with egg on your face, my guy. Getting your friends to post in threads just to back you up is giga cringe.

Me after reading some of the responses in this thread: ^^^

[Jojoya]

Yes, because someone being an officer in my FC means they're allowed no input in any conversations!

If only they were adding actual input to the conversation instead of snide remarks about those who disagree with you and then attaching tags to threads that say things like "house owner mafia".

[LianaThorne]

https://imgur.com/a/baYv1qc

Remember, nothing at all to see here folks! We're definetely not buying up wards to resell them! Not at all!

Now I doubt anyone is actually Going to pay for the list prices of those houses. Seems absurd to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just scamming people out of hundreds of dollars, or millions of gil. The 30 day FC rule has done little to curb the illicit trading. They've clearly been doing this operation, in the public eye for years without getting slapped with C&D, or much of any account penalties.

The reality is these are scams. They don't have the houses offered and exist to take money from people.

In the legit house selling communities/servers, RMT is taboo and anyone who tries to sell houses for cash in those servers is banned when the mods are made aware of it. It's just flat out not tolerated. It's gil only or trading houses (i.e. people swap servers and trade their houses that way) and contracts are exchanged between the two in game so if anything goes south it's reportable to the GMs and the person is subsequently also banned and blacklisted for being a scammer. Just clarifying that before the assumption continues to be made that house-selling/multi-owning = RMT only.

I'm sure that over the years some people have been smacked with a ban for it, especially if they're advertising in game, however it's the same as people who fill up NG with archer bots, they're like the Hydra. You cut off one head (ban one person) and two more crop up in its place.

Or the person just finds their way around the ban since I highly doubt they're banning people by MAC IP.

[Yodada]

Every single non-Dynamis NA server has five times the amount of people on Sagittarius (one of the smallest English speaking servers in the whole game LOL). I guess now that makes sense once you look at it that way. Doesn't affect you so its not a problem.

Dynamis has the problem of being introduced far too late into the game's lifecycle where it's not easy for people to pick up and move especially for raiders and crafters who get severed from their raid buffs and active MBs. People want houses, but may not want to deal with a whole ghost of a datacenter. It is an MMORPG after all. And when they eventually when they make Dynamis more attractive, it's going to fill up immediately. 32,000 houses aren't going to support the sheer size of NA (we have 3 datacenters that are constantly in flux of being congested) + bots, multihouse owners, and FCs taking up a nonzero sum of them.

If you want to be honest you should compare at least new NA to new EU Worlds. Or old NA to old EU Worlds instead of old/settled ones to newly created worlds.
But hey Balmung being Balmung if its fit their own narrative i guess.

But even if you would compare old worlds to each other, Balmung would still be the outlier. But that is a product of its own making.
People staying on Balmung and crying about scarcity? That joke never gets old

[Akibaws]

https://imgur.com/a/baYv1qc

Remember, nothing at all to see here folks! We're definetely not buying up wards to resell them! Not at all!

Now I doubt anyone is actually Going to pay for the list prices of those houses. Seems absurd to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just scamming people out of hundreds of dollars, or millions of gil. The 30 day FC rule has done little to curb the illicit trading. They've clearly been doing this operation, in the public eye for years without getting slapped with C&D, or much of any account penalties.

It's obvious some people are engaging in this, but to say everyone that owns multiple FC houses does it is just stupid.

[Reddyo]

The reality is these are scams. They don't have the houses offered and exist to take money from people.

In the legit house selling communities/servers, RMT is taboo and anyone who tries to sell houses for cash in those servers is banned when the mods are made aware of it. It's just flat out not tolerated. It's gil only or trading houses (i.e. people swap servers and trade their houses that way) and contracts are exchanged between the two in game so if anything goes south it's reportable to the GMs and the person is subsequently also banned and blacklisted for being a scammer. Just clarifying that before the assumption continues to be made that house-selling/multi-owning = RMT only.

I'm sure that over the years some people have been smacked with a ban for it, especially if they're advertising in game, however it's the same as people who fill up NG with archer bots, they're like the Hydra. You cut off one head (ban one person) and two more crop up in its place.

Or the person just finds their way around the ban since I highly doubt they're banning people by MAC IP.

I certainly hope this is investigated and banned O.o

[Reddyo]

It's obvious some people are engaging in this, but to say everyone that owns multiple FC houses does it is just stupid.

Nobody says EVERYONE does it, but .. it's obvious people do, and it should be looked into.

[Jojoya]

Nobody says EVERYONE does it, but .. it's obvious people do, and it should be looked into.

Where are they supposed to start when there is no evidence of a ToS violation?

They're not going to be Big Brother constantly watching what every player does. That would be insanely expensive and wasteful not to mention would get the player base very angry.

They don't have any legal authority to investigate third party sites. There's a reason why they will very rarely use evidence from outside the game's own records when taking action against a player's account - such outside information would be hard to verify as authenticate involving the account's actual owner instead of a scammer posing as the owner.

It's really easy to say "something must be done" but much harder to accomplish when you're the one tasked with doing it.