Let's talk about bot housing business

[Archeron]

https://imgur.com/a/baYv1qc

Remember, nothing at all to see here folks! We're definetely not buying up wards to resell them! Not at all!

Now I doubt anyone is actually Going to pay for the list prices of those houses. Seems absurd to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just scamming people out of hundreds of dollars, or millions of gil. The 30 day FC rule has done little to curb the illicit trading. They've clearly been doing this operation, in the public eye for years without getting slapped with C&D, or much of any account penalties.

[Reinha]

https://imgur.com/a/baYv1qc

Remember, nothing at all to see here folks! We're definetely not buying up wards to resell them! Not at all!

I didn't see anyone selling wards in what you linked. Just individual mediums and mansions on different (mostly NA) servers and housing districts. If someone buys up a ward, that includes a lot of smalls, and they aren't being sold. I still think you're confusing submarine farmers who cheekily use the same tag on neighboring plots with RMT sellers who are selling the best tier plots that are scattered around in different wards.

Nothing stops you from reporting what you see on those websites, since RMT is against the rules. SE can find out if a fc master transfer occurred within the fc who owns the plot.

PS. Also not seeing the Sagittarius (EU) houses the OP posted screenshots of and said were being sold for thousands of dollars.

[DefaultMiqote]

I didn't see anyone selling wards in what you linked. Just individual mediums and mansions on different (mostly NA) servers and housing districts. If someone buys up a ward, that includes a lot of smalls, and they aren't being sold. I still think you're confusing submarine farmers who cheekily use the same tag on neighboring plots with RMT sellers who are selling the best tier plots that are scattered around in different wards.

Nothing stops you from reporting what you see on those websites, since RMT is against the rules. SE can find out if a fc master transfer occurred within the fc who owns the plot.

PS. Also not seeing the Sagittarius (EU) houses the OP posted screenshots of and said were being sold for thousands of dollars.

I think it should be investigated anyway! If they can't prove they're doing anything wrong, then its perfectly fine! If they can then we can give them the Miqote death stare into oblivion.

[Stormpeaks]

Just for context in the continuing conversation, Default Miqo'te is an officer in the FC that Archeron Rivendare leads. They're tag-teaming anyone that has been disagreeing with what Archeron posts.

Thank you, edited my post just now that I had made in response to them, no point talking with them.

[Reinha]

Are you going to argue with OP over the prices of these RMT houses?

I'm not arguing anything with the OP because he is a troll spreading misinformation and ignoring replies in his own thread.

Or are we going to agree that regardless of what they are selling for they should not be resold, regardless of RMT, or not. Obviously they're not going to post "Hey I have an entire ward for sale! $10,000 please!" They'll sell the plots off individually as soon as they become desirable.

Consider calming down? No one is disagreeing that real money trading is against the rules. I'm merely pointing out that it's suboptimal to report multiowners in empty servers who aren't breaking any rules at the moment since their house selling ads are fictional, and I encouraged you to instead report what you actually see on the website. If someone is holding on to houses that they may or may not sell in the future, they aren't breaking any rules unless they do sell them. I posted the GM conversation stating exactly that. Filing tons of false flag reports about every multiowner you see in game for GMs to sort through is not going to help them catch RMT.

[LianaThorne]

https://imgur.com/a/baYv1qc

Remember, nothing at all to see here folks! We're definetely not buying up wards to resell them! Not at all!

Now I doubt anyone is actually Going to pay for the list prices of those houses. Seems absurd to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just scamming people out of hundreds of dollars, or millions of gil. The 30 day FC rule has done little to curb the illicit trading. They've clearly been doing this operation, in the public eye for years without getting slapped with C&D, or much of any account penalties.

The reality is these are scams. They don't have the houses offered and exist to take money from people.

In the legit house selling communities/servers, RMT is taboo and anyone who tries to sell houses for cash in those servers is banned when the mods are made aware of it. It's just flat out not tolerated. It's gil only or trading houses (i.e. people swap servers and trade their houses that way) and contracts are exchanged between the two in game so if anything goes south it's reportable to the GMs and the person is subsequently also banned and blacklisted for being a scammer. Just clarifying that before the assumption continues to be made that house-selling/multi-owning = RMT only.

I'm sure that over the years some people have been smacked with a ban for it, especially if they're advertising in game, however it's the same as people who fill up NG with archer bots, they're like the Hydra. You cut off one head (ban one person) and two more crop up in its place.

Or the person just finds their way around the ban since I highly doubt they're banning people by MAC IP.

[Reddyo]

The reality is these are scams. They don't have the houses offered and exist to take money from people.

In the legit house selling communities/servers, RMT is taboo and anyone who tries to sell houses for cash in those servers is banned when the mods are made aware of it. It's just flat out not tolerated. It's gil only or trading houses (i.e. people swap servers and trade their houses that way) and contracts are exchanged between the two in game so if anything goes south it's reportable to the GMs and the person is subsequently also banned and blacklisted for being a scammer. Just clarifying that before the assumption continues to be made that house-selling/multi-owning = RMT only.

I'm sure that over the years some people have been smacked with a ban for it, especially if they're advertising in game, however it's the same as people who fill up NG with archer bots, they're like the Hydra. You cut off one head (ban one person) and two more crop up in its place.

Or the person just finds their way around the ban since I highly doubt they're banning people by MAC IP.

I certainly hope this is investigated and banned O.o

[LianaThorne]

I certainly hope this is investigated and banned O.o

You'd have better luck reporting any sites advertising RMT house sales to their hoster and getting it taken down that way in my opinion. Square won't even accept third party photos as evidence normally.

[Reddyo]

You'd have better luck reporting any sites advertising RMT house sales to their hoster and getting it taken down that way in my opinion. Square won't even accept third party photos as evidence normally.

I did not want to put any links or whatever in here. Just talk about the issues of someone buying entire ward for abuse it for moneymaking

[Stormpeaks]

I did not want to put any links or whatever in here. Just talk about the issues of someone buying entire ward for abuse it for moneymaking

Which was proven false in the end by me and multiple others, the ones selling for RMT are the ones buying "top tier" plots to sell them for big money, not buying entire wards, those are people doing submarines and/or for decorating. But we both know you arent interested in facts.