Let's talk about bot housing business

[Homeless_was_taken]

I can personally find very few instances where owning multiple homes doesn't reflect poorly on the multi-home owner, where RMT is not immediatly suspect. The question that never gets answered; Why do you need 5+ houses? The only legitimate answers I have ever been given was for their use in a door to door roleplay district. That, I can understand. But to own so many of them for submarine farming? To impress people? Just because you can? It's not hard to understand why so many people are trying to buy up and hoard these houses when their RMT value, especially for mediums/larges on the OG servers are regularily listed for $800+ in RMT. Honestly I'd like to know literally any reasons multi-home owners have for why they need so many houses.

Do you ask crafters why they craft?

[Archeron]

Do you ask crafters why they craft?

The difference with crafting is that it doesn't come at the expense of everyone else in the community, so no. Craft away.

People don't have the privilege to buy houses where they want anymore. Not after the lottery was implemented. If there are free houses on the server, they have no cause to complain.

And all EU servers + Dynamis have empty house plots next to each other that friends can get in all districts. Fc plots, the kind of houses you seem to think people are deprived of.

Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?

[Reinha]

Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?

I don't need 5+ houses on servers with a severe lack of houses. If I were to buy more than 5 fc houses they would all be cottages in empty fc wards and it would be to make gil, so I could buy all the mounts and minions and music sold on the market board. That's perfectly reasonable, and harms absolutely no one. That's why.

Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house?

Oh please, stop acting like every server in the game is Balmung or that this discussion revolves around NA. I'm on EU, Stormy is on EU, this thread is about an EU server. There is not a single server on EU one would have to transfer away from in order to get a house. Not even for a personal house. You are completely clueless if you think 5+ fc houses is even making a dent in the available housing supply.

[AlexiaD]

I don't need 5+ houses on servers with a severe lack of houses. If I were to buy more than 5 fc houses they would all be cottages in empty fc wards and it would be to make gil, so I could buy all the mounts and minions and music sold on the market board. That's perfectly reasonable, and harms absolutely no one. That's why.



Oh please, stop acting like every server in the game is Balmung or that this discussion revolves around NA. I'm on EU, Stormy is on EU, this thread is about an EU server. There is not a single server on EU one would have to transfer away from in order to get a house. Not even for a personal house. You are completely clueless if you think 5+ fc houses is even making a dent in the available housing supply.

I literally sent them a link too earlier, granted I sent it about FC wards, but I have a plot on Sagi W22 which is private in Mist that has over 19 plots available, but as you can see he wasnt too happy with me providing evidence that there is housing for everyone

Depriving people of housing you say ?

Let's see here... (I am posting more dont you worry, I'm just getting started)

Goblet W1 https://imgur.com/a/bqVIjV3
Goblet W3 https://imgur.com/a/4xANwyu
Goblet W4 https://imgur.com/a/T4l7WKP

Want me to go on ?

Oh, perhaps we should visit empyreum yes ?

Empyreum W2 https://imgur.com/a/ljsrqoj
Empyreum W3 https://imgur.com/a/hzJIv3i

Again, you miss my point entirely, as is to be expected with Storm Peaks. Why should someone be forced to buy in a zone they don't want so you can have all your hoarded houses wherever you please? Why should you be able to deprive people of having a house next to their friends so you can own 5+ houses? Why do you need 5+ houses? Why do you need the gil from Submarine farms to remain high? Why would a submarine farmer turn to RMT if this gil was reduced? I'll wait for ONE answer to any of these.

I created an alt not long ago, and I am getting my first shirogane small house on that character this week as personal because it's a plot I dont have yet and that I like, this is also the first round I am entering for, so far I have 0 bids agaisnt me, so once again, one wonders where is this "housing scarcity" and "limited ressource".

[AwesomeJr44]

Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?

If you go for whatever house is available instead of only going for the best ones, you can easily get one with enough effort. Right now, it's not hard to get a house, even a good one. I got a great one on my alt with no one else bidding against me. How'd I do that? By bidding in the Goblet, where a lot of people don't want to. The only houses that you'd have to move servers for is if you want one of the best plots, like a Shirogane beachfront plot. And at that point, of course you're going to have a lot of competition, everyone else wants that one too.

As for why someone would want 5+ houses, the answer is obvious. They want them, and it's not against the rules to have them. I do think that the people who own entire wards are weird for doing that, but only 5ish houses? Not a big deal my guy.

[Absimiliard]

Do you ask crafters why they craft?

The answer is usually greed with a healthy dose of boredom mixed in. Who doesn't like gil?

Why are you so hell-bent on adding extra hyperbole at the sake of cheapening your argument so much? 'Bot' does not mean 'anyone who does something arguably unethical that I don't like',

In fairness, some people actually do run bots for this stuff. It's more common than anyone should be cool with. It's a bit more commonly seen on NA data centers than EU, but Chaos in particular does have a bit of a reputation for it. You can usually identify who is botting versus who is a normal multiowner pretty easily, but that's not always the case. Some people are pretty smart with how they bot. Makes it easy to mistake for something more normal.

To be clear, I don't exactly have a horse in this race in the conventional sense. I don't really care about the housing market since I'm motivated almost entirely by greed. I tend to stick to more lucrative means of raking in the gil, which house flipping was always... honestly kinda meh for. I just felt it important to point out the OP wound up being right for potentially the wrong reasons.

[Homeless_was_taken]

The answer is usually greed with a healthy dose of boredom mixed in. Who doesn't like gil?

My point exactly.

[Sindele]

In fairness, some people actually do run bots for this stuff. It's more common than anyone should be cool with. It's a bit more commonly seen on NA data centers than EU, but Chaos in particular does have a bit of a reputation for it. You can usually identify who is botting versus who is a normal multiowner pretty easily, but that's not always the case. Some people are pretty smart with how they bot. Makes it easy to mistake for something more normal.

To be blunt, there's next to zero way to tell if someone running one of these operations is botting or not unless you know the entire operation - and no outside observer is going to. This isn't the old days of placard spam bots anymore. All the sub operations are done behind locked doors, and even if they're openly using gather/craft bots, they're not likely to be linked to the FC holders. It would take a massive act of sustained carelessness to be able to link an operation together like that, and even if you do pin that together, it would involve way more evidentiary links than are being provided here.