Let's talk about bot housing business

[TheNight]

There has been tools that does similar things that some teams been using.

You do realize xivsim is a website and it's coded manually? Meaning the simulations only happen weeks after the fights get released?

Do you care to tell me that 9/11 was an inside job next?

[Lieri]

If they remove them from those houses, that's subs money they're losing.
I'm 99% sure they can determine to which original character those alts/bots belong to. Even bots have one original character that started it all. But from economic standpoint it's not worth the hassle that's why they're not going to do it. 10 active houses on single player with lots of accounts = 10 subs. If you have 10 people like that, that's 100 subs only from 10 players.
It's the same thing as WoW. They have gold sellers and bots problem but they didn't really solve it because those subs money are what matters. No CEO would ever approve actively banning revenues. WoW solution? add token that players can buy for real money and trade for gold with another players via auction house. Rather than solving the problem they want a piece of that market. They want more of your money

If Squeenix do something about it, I'm sure it will involve some sort of solution that also makes sense for them financially. You can go on and on about fairness, video games are supposed to be enjoyable for all players, etc but by the end of the day business is business. Simple solution for them is to add houses to mogstation but I'm sure all hell will break loose if they do that.

[Sotaris]

Do you care to tell me that 9/11 was an inside job next?

Not sure what an terrorist attack has to do with anything we were discussing.

[LianaThorne]

The issue here lies with inheritance, which ultimately is a problem that cannot be solved due to how FCs *need* that feature to pass off the Master role in the event the lead wants to quit the game or goes inactive and doesn't bother to pass off the role beforehand.

The system works properly, if you bought a plot on a character you cannot buy another one on the same character without leaving the FC. However, if you pass the role off to an alt, you can go buy another house without an issue. This is also literally in their guidelines for the Additional Plots and Purchasing Requirements so it's something that is fully acknowledged already by Square.

I'm very very very positive by now that SE is aware that people multi-own but they also can't really do anything without changing the system that will affect *everyone*, not just them. They also most likely view it as a positive since they're making extra sub income off those who do purchase houses on multiple accounts.

I am firmly against RMT in any form but I personally don't really care if someone wants to sell their house for gil because they want to move servers or dump their houses and free up a service account so they can cancel it.

As I've parroted on many threads of this nature over the past several years, I feel for the people on servers like Balmung who have to deal with this (where you are basically lucky to even get an apartment, let alone a house). With the addition of newer servers and the rising complaints from members of those servers, I feel that the conversation is becoming more "There's no housing on my server I'm interested in even though there are dozens of plots open in each ward." If the latter is the case, I understand the perspective but at the same time, just get a house and relocate later. The point is to have one and if you're upset about multi-owners, buy a house so it's one less that they can buy lol.

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Someone I once knew, who is/was probably one of the biggest multi-owners in the game, said something that kinda stuck with me: "I bought my houses when no one else was willing to move and buy them. They sat alone in my ward abandoned for months so I slowly picked them up when it became obvious that no one was making moves to purchase. If people wanted the houses, they had plenty of time to get them."

[Stormpeaks]

Someone I once knew, who is/was probably one of the biggest multi-owners in the game, said something that kinda stuck with me: "I bought my houses when no one else was willing to move and buy them. They sat alone in my ward abandoned for months so I slowly picked them up when it became obvious that no one was making moves to purchase. If people wanted the houses, they had plenty of time to get them."

Goblet is a good example of that, on Sagi (and even on phantom) FC wards occupancy is like 10 to 20%, it's completely empty, but people would rather see those plots abandoned than see a multiowner on them, as childish as it might sound, it's just jealousy that people are upset about this, these people have to work their butt off doing crafting or whatever they do for gil, while submariners are racking in gil easily, that creates jealousy.

What people also dont seem to quite understand is that it's not as easy as they think to even be a multiowner in the first place, as I mentioned earlier in this post, just getting submarines up to speed for them to start making gil takes 3 months, PER HOUSE. Yes you can do multiple houses at a time, but still doesnt change anything, its a massive, long-term time and gil investment.

Just to put what I said into numbers

Sagi Goblet Ward 4 which is FC currently has 4 plots taken, out of 30 in subdivision, and has 50% taken in main division
W5 same, 40% occupancy in both main and subdiv
W6 40% main div and 20% subdiv
W8 subdiv less than 20% occupancy, 5 plots taken
W9 main div & subdiv less than 40% taken

In all of the above cases, there are larges and mediums open, that literally no one wants and refuses to get because it's goblet, but as I mentioned above, people would rather those plots just rot there than for a multiowner to take them.

[Jonsky]

I would be happy for a House-pocalypse to fix this mess once and for all. I would gladly put my small personal and large FC house on the line to see it happen.

[Jonsky]

People just re-take their houses and multiowners byy houses again

You forget that the housing lottery is now a thing. Not as easy to re-take plots any more.

[Jonsky]

it's even easier to multiown now than it used to be

now literally anybody can multiown thanks to lottery

If we were talking about the less populated servers alone I would agree. On the servers where plots have had upwards of 300 bidders I doubt that would be possible.
But if you can show me how it's done I would acquiesce. From what I've gathered from your arguments, I would expect that you can, yes?

[AlexiaD]

If we were talking about the less populated servers alone I would agree. On the servers where plots have had upwards of 300 bidders I doubt that would be possible.
But if you can show me how it's done I would acquiesce. From what I've gathered from your arguments, I would expect that you can, yes?

I actually can, had to switch since out of posts.

What you are implying is that with a full reset of all 30 wards in every area, main division and subdivision, there would be over 300 bids on a single plot, which is absolutely ridiculous and makes no sense.

Even on Balmung as of right now, the maximum amount of bids is 198, and it's the biggest, or at least one of the biggest worlds in the game.

[LianaThorne]

If we were talking about the less populated servers alone I would agree. On the servers where plots have had upwards of 300 bidders I doubt that would be possible.
But if you can show me how it's done I would acquiesce. From what I've gathered from your arguments, I would expect that you can, yes?

Tbf some people have the ability to pile dozens of bids onto a house depending on how many alts they have prepared. One person in Dyna made it pretty known they had 30+ to go for buying a large. I wouldn't be shocked if there are others with the same ability across the other servers.