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    Renathras's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    Massively shifting damage from nuke to dot. If the dot is 90-100% responsible for damage then missing a GCD attack or two wouldn’t have as much impact.
    The problem I have with this is the thing I see most in casual content is people dropping DoTs or not using them. Like my DoTs drop here and there sometimes for 3-7 seconds (usually less since I tend to keep on them and track about where they are by seeing Lucid/Aetherflow/Chain Strategem/Presence of Mind in 30 sec increments being a "About time to refresh the DoT" que), but I've run content with a second Healer (or as a Tank/DPS where someone else was the healer) where the Healer DoT debuff just never appeared. I did a P9N two days ago and my co-healer didn't use her DoT. Ever. Like...not once. Not even when the fight started.

    Had pretty solid ABC going, Glare seemed to be being cast all the time during the fight, she used Lilies and Misery, and occasionally Medica 2 or Cure 2 spot healing. Even using oGCDs like Asylum. So she wasn't someone who just Glares and nothing else. But she either didn't know here DoT existed or just forgot it.

    Ran a P11N where the other healer's DoT was probably up for around 25% of the boss fight.

    So how does moving damage from the nuke to the dot help such players out or make all those GCD heals used not a punishment?
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    So how does moving damage from the nuke to the dot help such players out or make all those GCD heals used not a punishment?
    The original question you asked was how to make GCD heals less bad to use, that's one of the ways to make it less bad to use. DoTs being a higher percentage of your damage means you don't lose as much damage if you opt to GCD heal instead of using your GCD nuke because the DoT is still ticking in the background while you spend that GCD on a heal. You didn't mention in your original post that any suggestions have to take into account people who don't use DoTs at all so I don't know why you made that a condition now.
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    response to me
    I think the a 5.3 storm’s eye style qol would be possible to help with uptime in the event that this was a chosen solution. I’m not sure if I’d necessarily support it, but it should make it easier to not drop a tick. Then against maybe letting it run its course from the buffed opener would be a gain.

    I don’t really know how to respond to the second part. It seems they may have some larger issues to address than this optimisation post would be relevant for.

    The obvious downside of dots is when the boss goes to have his tea break, and it doesn’t reach the x second threshold to be a gain. If you were hoping for some kind of stackable ogcd nuke refund accessed only through the use of non-damaging gcds then I’m afraid I won’t suggest it because it sounds like it would be extremely cursed. There would be incentive to heal meaninglessly in order to double or more your damage under raid buffs and probably make gcd healing during the 2minute mechanic feel worse because you’d see your three stacks of continubroil sitting there because you used fey blessing instead or whatever the case was.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    The problem I have with this is the thing I see most in casual content is people dropping DoTs or not using them.
    Eh, people will play to the standard that the content expects of them, sure it'll take some time and absolutely there will be people that moan about it no matter what direction things take, but at the end of the day, people will adapt.

    Don't forget that we had a time in the past where the level cap dungeons had enrages and stuff would actually merrily kill you if people dropped the ball.

    Also don't forget that if you go back to HW/Stormblood, that same player likely wouldn't have been casting nukes either. If dots get more important again, people will gradually adjust and warm to it. Stifling development progress over unimportant metrics such as a casual healer forgetting to refresh their dot in content that doesn't have an enrage timer is self defeating to the max.

    People adapted to the likes of Cutter's Cry, Qarn and Amdapor Keep, they'll adapt to dots becoming more important.

    On a sidenote, SE could also help things by taking more inspiration from the forbidden addons, there's one that pretty much doubles the size of your own debuff icons on a target making it much easier to keep track of dots if you don't have the timing down. Other routes include something like self only auras for dots to make it quite visible on the target when it drops off or even a distinctive fall off audio cue.
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