A question for SCH mains and enjoyers

[Renathras]

Yes, actually. Particularly the "he seemed not to like the idea of there being a healer Job that might have an aesthetic he'd like to play that doesn't exist in the changed/more complex state)." statement which is not true.

The specific reason I mentioned that was from a conversation we had where I made several proposals for a new Job to be added that was the "easy/left alone" one, and you saying that wasn't acceptable because you liked them, too. It's also the reason you wouldn't accept SGE even when I noted that it's never been any different than today, so leaving it as it is should be more acceptable than any other healer, when I found it it was your favorite healer and you were unwilling to accept that, even with it being the most damage focused of the healers already. Your position at the time seemed to be you didn't want any new healer added that was not of the complex/high skill ceiling type, and that you didn't want any healers left unchnaged.

But, I'll remove that part fro my post. It changes literally nothing:

The discussion was about people willing to accept leaving one healer AS IT IS NOW. That is, alone and unchanged, not "only minor (to the POV of the person proposing it) changes". So your objection here isn't relevant to the discussion.

And no, that position is NOT inflexible.

Inflexible is demanding all healers change.
The counter inflexible would be demanding all healers do not change at all.

Me being open to 3 changing and only one left the same is both flexible and more flexible than your own position.

Your position, my friend, is actually the inflexible one. I've already changed mine several times to suit yours and seek compromise. And while you have made some changes as well, they're still in service to different forms of the same thing, not actually giving something up to the other side of the argument.

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In any case, you've proven me right on your position against leaving 1 healer alone, to answer Snow's question, so there's no point in me continuing to belabor the point that Ty does not support leaving even one healer alone.

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And if we're going to do the "Classic" thing, we need to do it for all four healers, not just one.

If you did propose that on the DPS forums, you'd just be written off as arguing in bad faith and ignored.

What are you talking about?

This is an argument frequently seen there (legitimately, not in farce) by people saying they actually like current SMN and think it should remain as it is in the game instead of being reverted or etc. What made your Tank forum post bad faith was because it wasn't serious. You weren't actually supporting the position. You were making it as a jab at a different argument in a different forum. People legitimately say in the Tank forum they like WAR and also PLD and it should remain as it is, and people legitimately say in the DPS forum they like SMN and it should remain how it is. They get a lot of pushback (especially on the SMN one of those arguments), but they're making their arguments because they actually believe it, not to jab at some different argument or position elsewhere.

If you went to the DPS forum and claimed you wanted to make all DPS like SMN, that would be bad faith because we all know you don't. If I went there and said I think SMN should stay how it is, but old SMN's playstyle should be reintroduced in some way (like Green Mage, say), it wouldn't be. Hell, I've made that argument there before. Several times! The difference is I actually mean it. That's what makes it not in bad faith.

Me. I have. I think current healer design is embarrassing and horrible and some of the worst class design I've ever seen in a video game, RPG, MMO, or otherwise.
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And there you have it, Supersnow845.

So, can I take it your question of "Has anyone here who doesn’t like current healing ever said that there should be no compromise and that all the healers need to be changed" has been thoroughly answered?