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  1. #1
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    eldritchAvatar's Avatar
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    Aletheon Ruchiradam
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    Seraph
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    Astrologian Lv 100

    Dancer is WAY too proc focused

    Everyone knows it.

    It's like playing with a random number generator.

    If the procs were based on distance travelled at least then it'd be predictable.

    The weaving is top tier though. If only there were a way to proc off of that or make it an accumulative feature.
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    Lilimo Limomo
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Among the reasons I don't play Dancer is that it's so proc-focused. But I assume there are people who love the fact that it's so proc-focused. Being proc-focused isn't innately a bad thing.
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    Deo14's Avatar
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    Thea Shinri
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    Raiden
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    Samurai Lv 90
    People who play proc-focused jobs and then complain that they're too proc-focused are reason why we have all this homogenization and this relentless dumbing down of every job. Just play different job if you don't like procs, there are people who like DNC because of the procs, stop trying to take that away from them. Plus Flourish will already give you all basic procs every 60 seconds.
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    Arrhin Terremiaux
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    Zalera
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Stop.Complaining. About. EVERYTHING.GOOOOODDDSSSSS just pick another class.
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    Don't touch me there

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    VeolE's Avatar
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    Len Mei
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by eldritchAvatar View Post
    Everyone knows it.

    It's like playing with a random number generator.

    If the procs were based on distance travelled at least then it'd be predictable.

    The weaving is top tier though. If only there were a way to proc off of that or make it an accumulative feature.
    I don't even play DNC and yet, I will tell you NO. We don't need more streamlined / homogenized. We got plenty of that from ShB to EW.... and most likely going into 7.0 as well.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Square makes jobs for different play styles then people complain that they don’t like every single job so now we have 1.5 jobs total

    If you don’t like DNC procs then don’t play DNC; it really isn’t hard to understand
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    Raveen Raines
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Just play something else. Not everything has to be for you. This is what causes job identity to disappear.
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    Ren Thras
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I hate proc and DoT type Jobs.

    So I don't play them.

    Some people love them.

    So I'm glad they're in the game, I just recognize they aren't for me.

    .

    At the end of the day, no matter how much you might like a Job's aesthetics, not all Jobs will play the same (and if they did, that'd be terrible design; one type of player would be super happy at all the options and no one else would have anything to play). So we get different Jobs that play different ways, and then decide which we like best, aesthetic or mechanic, and we pick the Job that best matches our personal tastes there.

    I like BLM's aesthetic but not it's playstyle, so I don't play BLM.

    If you don't like DNC's playstyle...don't play DNC is all I can say. Instead, ask around for what you'd like in a Job in terms of playstyle/rotation and ask people which Jobs best fit that.

    I don't like people being dogpiled or brigaded, so I'd rather ask you what kind of playstyle/rotation you like? That way, I can maybe offer good suggestions.

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    If you don't like procs, the best Jobs for you would probably be:

    Melee: I'm...honestly not sure any of them are really proc based, actually, so any of them?
    Ranged: MCH isn't proc based (DNC and BRD both are)
    Caster: SMN has no procs at all, RDM has 50/50 chance of getting Fire/Stone Ready, though you can control this some with Acceleration and slight unbalanced mana into your melee phase, BLM has Firestarter and Thundercloud procs.

    Tank: PLD's proc is more like a combo action (the empowered Holy Spirit) since it happens after your 1-2-3, so not really a proc, WAR's Infuriate timer decreases by spending Fell Cleaves (so not really a proc), DRK has a proc from TBN breaking, but you know when you're using TBN so you have control over that, and GNB has none I can think of offhand.

    Healer: The only proc I can think of is SGE for shields breaking giving you a Toxicon. Other than that, I don't think any of the healers have procs, though AST has some RNG that requires reacting to (Draw/Card and Minor Arcana Lord/Lady), so if you don't like things that are semi-random, you might avoid AST specifically. TECHNICALLY WHM and AST have their Freecure/Critbenific mechanics...but they're silly low chance vestigial relics that you don't actually play around and probably wouldn't even notice much when they do actually happen.

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    Not sure if that helps or not, but I'd try some of those Jobs out. I'm not a fan of procs myself, so Jobs like BRD and DNC and BLM I don't play, and RDM I only do on occasion (though its proc system isn't really too bad).
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  9. #9
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    You know what? I'll stop complaining about the things I don't like, like cast times or positionals, if you leave whatever is left of proc/priority classes alone. Deal? They already butchered MCH out of its procs, please no more?

    Also don't make DNC even more resident sleepers than it is already... Even more and it's just gonna be SMN bis
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    Last edited by Valence; 08-02-2023 at 06:20 PM.

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    6.08 Hissatsu: Kaiten Give it back !!! obviously, mhm.
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    Just give me back my Kaiten...

    Wait wrong thread...
    I mean stop dumbing down Jobs DX<
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