Do we really need the Scions again?

[Koros]

Well I only see complaints about them here. And this place is a very small amount of the playerbase. Also you can read yes? Just a heads up saying most players does not equal the entire playerbase.

Well I see complaints about them everywhere. And simps like you are a very small amount of the playerbase.

[Theodric]

Well I see complaints about them everywhere.

Likewise. I'm active on Twitter as well as the official forums and I've seen very mixed reactions to the Scions over the years on a rather consistent basis.

[Fenral]

Likewise. I'm active on Twitter as well as the official forums and I've seen very mixed reactions to the Scions over the years on a rather consistent basis.

That explains so much. You do understand how Twitter is engineered to feed you a constant stream of only the things you engage with most, right? Confirmation bias is literally built into it as a feature. Considering your usual attitudes, Twitter's algorithm would naturally feed you a constant stream of negativity to reinforce your pre-exsiting biases, leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

Reality check: Twitter is not and will never be an accurate sampling of the population.

[Lauront]

That explains so much. You do understand how Twitter is engineered to feed you a constant stream of only the things you engage with most, right? Confirmation bias is literally built into it as a feature. Considering your usual attitudes, Twitter's algorithm would naturally feed you a constant stream of negativity to reinforce your pre-exsiting biases, leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

Reality check: Twitter is not and will never be an accurate sampling of the population.

Except when it's feeding you uwu g'raha so cute he nom some taco ^_^ content, I'm sure.

Regardless, your poorly veiled strawman argument collapses given that he is just following certain content creators on there, ones who simply cover news on the game, rather than running with whatever the algorithm is showing him as recommended content to follow, and on those content creator's threads, debate about the Scions does occur there too. He never claimed Twitter is an accurate sampling of the population, but then what is when it comes to XIV? Whatever confirms to you that the Scions are oh so popular and no one would ever want to see them go? Right.

[kpxmanifesto]

leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

I highly doubt he's trying to say that EVERYONE agrees with him.

[Alleo]

That explains so much. You do understand how Twitter is engineered to feed you a constant stream of only the things you engage with most, right? Confirmation bias is literally built into it as a feature. Considering your usual attitudes, Twitter's algorithm would naturally feed you a constant stream of negativity to reinforce your pre-exsiting biases, leading you to the conclusion that everyone agrees with you.

Reality check: Twitter is not and will never be an accurate sampling of the population.

Honestly we will never get a good enough sampling until SE creates a ingame poll that a huge amount of players take.
There are places on the internet where the scions are seen more negative. Than we have youtube with trailer reactions and lots of people enjoying their return, the same with the reaction on ff14 reddit and man did the crowd cheer at the fanfest (the loudest for Graha Tia).

I myself was a bit surprised to see all of the scions in this teaser trailer and after seeing it for the first time I was not sure if that was great or not. Yet now I think that its good. They are beloved characters for at least a good amount of people and our character already knows them. Having them split into different teams also means that there is room for new characters to join our adventure. I think that this is imo a good compromise to go forward, especially since people might not even like the new characters (I am looking at this forum and some reactions towards Zero).

[Fenral]

I regularly interact with people who quite like the Scions, we just do something that many of this game's so called 'lore enthusiasts' fail to do - agree to disagree and compromise.

"Agreeing to disagree" does not mean bringing the issue up every single goddamn patch and then going shocked-pikachu-face.gif when the people you've agreed to disagree with continue to disagree with you. It means dropping the issue because minds aren't going to change. The horse is dead, dude.

[kpxmanifesto]

It means dropping the issue because minds aren't going to change. The horse is dead, dude.

So that's where this was going. He's trying to police what should and shouldn't be said on the official forums. Yikes.

[AwesomeJr44]

Likewise. I'm active on Twitter as well as the official forums and I've seen very mixed reactions to the Scions over the years on a rather consistent basis.

I would like to point out to Ikara and Fenral that Theodric said mixed reactions, not mostly negative. If the Twitter algorithm was trying to only feed him negative reactions to the scions, it's doing a poor job.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I will deal with it by skipping the entire story every time and every damn cinematic I can, the story is an absolute bore and it's in majority because of them, it's like Hildibrand, it was fun for a while then it just got really old and boring

Cool beans. Don't care what you do. Just make sure you don't speak here about story beats that involve them as you won't have the knowledge necessary to comment on them going forward. Only fair.

I would like to point out to Ikara and Fenral that Theodric said mixed reactions, not mostly negative. If the Twitter algorithm was trying to only feed him negative reactions to the scions, it's doing a poor job.

I mean I never once it was all or even mostly negative either. If he sees mixed then that's because thats the space he's in per the algorithm. I explained how that works already tbf. No clue why you're telling me this.