A question for SCH mains and enjoyers

[Renathras]

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Other than me, everyone else who regularly posts here is in total agreement on the state of healers in the game and what they find fun/unfun about them.

Go to the Tank forum and you'll see a bunch of disgruntled people, but you also see a lot of different positions. For example, someone started a thread about whether or not everyone hates PLD now, and there were a lot of people saying they were neutral on it and some saying they loved it. Make a post about any of the four healer Jobs here and see who, other than me, will say that they don't hate it/dislike it.

Likewise, you can see similar discussions on DRK and WAR there. Someone will post they're boring and others will post how they love them, some will begone DRK's state while others will talk about how it has a strong mitigation kit or a different enough playstyle they enjoy, etc.

In the DPS forum, you do see some people say that Kaiten being removed wasn't a bad thing, you do see some people say SMN's a decent design and they enjoy it, you see people both asking for more positionals for Melee and some asking for less. From individual Jobs to overall role mechanics, there's a lot more disagreement and robust debate.

You don't see that diversity of view here.

You guys differ over pretty minor details, but you're all in agreement on your overall positions. Not one of you DOESN'T want Healers to have more damage buttons. At best, a few of you make exception specifically for AST to have more buffs instead. Not one of you will say you like current healers or are alright with them. I'm really the only person who consistently points out the differences in their playstyles. There are also far fewer people posting here than in the Tank or DPS forums, and the views are much more concentrated.

If I didn't post here, you guys' disagreement would be akin to members within a close political coalition disagreeing about whether a 0.5% tax increase goes too far or doesn't go too far enough. (That's a Futurama reference: "Jack Johnson vs John Jackson" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3iyvbsRDM , or for the specific quote without context: "your 3c titanium tax doesn't go too far enough" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMdCV-Z7kk )

'Bad faith' means dishonesty, not simply being mistaken.

Fair. Though I don't think it's a mistake. Not only are the other role forums here more diverse in their views, Reddit is more diverse as well.

It's likely not a mistake, he has been calling the healer forums an echo chamber for a very long time now,

Because I believe it's true.

As noted above with the Futurama reference, your disagreements are generally pretty insignificant, and tend to be quibbling over details in various Job proposals. Again, find someone here other than me that likes the current Healers. One other person who is a common poster.

What's that, there are none?

You'll say it's because healer design is so bad, yet I can find people on Reddit to say they like current Healer design. That seems to indicate this place is more of an echo chamber.

Except you very regularly do make bad faith posts that are posted with an ulterior motive.

You BELIEVING (wanting to) that I make bad faith posts and have ulterior motives is not me actually making bad faith posts and having ulterior motives. You almost always ascribe an ulterior motive to any thread I make, no matter how many times you've been proven wrong. You want it to be true so badly, you believe it's true no matter what.

My definition of bad faith here is you going into another forum to try to get them to agree with your position by making a non-serious proposal that everyone knew was non-serious from the jump. "disagreeing with me" isn't why I said that post of yours was in bad faith. The irony being, the way you worded that post would have been supporting my position - well a caricature of it, but the point is, it wouldn't have been "disagreeing with me", thus "disagreeing with me" clearly cannot be my definition of bad faith. This is just you - yet again - trying to take every opportunity to attack me.

Some people hold mistaken beliefs their entire lives. It doesn't become arguing in bad faith just because you've presented evidence for your argument and the person hasn't been convinced.

I know we disagree about basically everything...but bless you, man.

Hell, they even get to have at least 3 buttons to play with in AOE, we're stuck with one (well, two if you're SGE I guess) =(

3 if you're WHM. (4 if you count Solace and Rapture separately; 5 if you also count Assize.)

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Also, for anyone interested, there's a thread about this - agro management - going on in the Tank forum right now:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/486917-Enmity-Management-Do-we-want-it-back