So about cheats at top level?

[rofland]

magnitudes more people cheat with combat rotation condensers, callout overlays, mechanic overlays and zoomhacks in pve than pvp because pvp has dogshit rewards
which is tbh a good reason to keep t100 prizes as terrible as they are, because last time we had interesting exclusives we had 20+ scripters and wintraders per DC vs the 1-3 we get now

[Towa-Musa]

magnitudes more people cheat with combat rotation condensers, callout overlays, mechanic overlays and zoomhacks in pve than pvp because pvp has dogshit rewards
which is tbh a good reason to keep t100 prizes as terrible as they are, because last time we had interesting exclusives we had 20+ scripters and wintraders per DC vs the 1-3 we get now

pretty much what i said in another forum, if we keep stuff strictly locked to ranked people will be more likely to cheat.
doubly so if the rewards are fomo.

[Elfidan]

Teleportation is always fun to play against.

[kayll]

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This ones much more egregious, unlike the other gif posted in this thread.
I can't think of any possible ways of moving like that personally, looks like they removed the animation and CD on their Elusive Jump lmao

[anna-steele]

not much evidence is needed tbh, its an unsupervised ranked mode. people cheat in real life sports that are actually monitored actively, only a fool would believe no one would cheat in an environment where they can basically just get away with it. ive been playing online games since there was an internet. any time there is a ranked ladder or whatever, its all just cheaters. devs should simply remove them going forward.

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pretty much what i said in another forum, if we keep stuff strictly locked to ranked people will be more likely to cheat.
doubly so if the rewards are fomo.

QUOTE=anna-steele;6297037]not much evidence is needed tbh, its an unsupervised ranked mode. people cheat in real life sports that are actually monitored actively, only a fool would believe no one would cheat in an environment where they can basically just get away with it. ive been playing online games since there was an internet. any time there is a ranked ladder or whatever, its all just cheaters. devs should simply remove them going forward.[/QUOTE]

I know this isn't the point of this thread, but I'd much prefer the ranked mode have much more effective and present moderation if they're going to include ranked rewards, especially the more unique ones like during the Feast again.

If they aren't willing to support the mode enough to deter blatant cheating, especially when provided plenty of player reports and evidence, then they shouldn't include the mode.

That said, one of the great joys of ranked is playing more intense matches with folks closer to your skill level, and I'd miss that aspect dearly if they just dropped the mode, so I'd rather one mode with rank tied in that regard anything extra just so that the more you win, the more you'll be pitted against/with those that win as well.

What we have now isn't terrible compared to before, but ranked matches still dry up mid and late season, especially if you didn't hit Crystal early.

[Towa-Musa]

not much evidence is needed tbh, its an unsupervised ranked mode. people cheat in real life sports that are actually monitored actively, only a fool would believe no one would cheat in an environment where they can basically just get away with it. ive been playing online games since there was an internet. any time there is a ranked ladder or whatever, its all just cheaters. devs should simply remove them going forward.

I know this isn't the point of this thread, but I'd much prefer the ranked mode have much more effective and present moderation if they're going to include ranked rewards, especially the more unique ones like during the Feast again.

If they aren't willing to support the mode enough to deter blatant cheating, especially when provided plenty of player reports and evidence, then they shouldn't include the mode.

That said, one of the great joys of ranked is playing more intense matches with folks closer to your skill level, and I'd miss that aspect dearly if they just dropped the mode, so I'd rather one mode with rank tied in that regard anything extra just so that the more you win, the more you'll be pitted against/with those that win as well.

What we have now isn't terrible compared to before, but ranked matches still dry up mid and late season, especially if you didn't hit Crystal early.

Yup, if they're not gonna moderate it why should they make rewards for it? makes no sense imo but since when was the last time square actually did something that made sense to us?

[hexxxx]

In terms of cheats like scripts and speedhacking, I've personally almost never seen them. In the few instances I did find suspicious (mostly in earlier seasons), the players who may have been using those exploits were often compensating for their own lack of skill and game sense. On balance, it didn't seem to help skew matches in their favor--it was just annoying (and even exploitable, in the case of scripting).

As for wintrading, it's also fairly rare, but even in cases where players were obvious about it (one person repeatedly throwing for another on the same job), moderation has been spotty. It's more often the case that people report the offending parties en masse and nothing happens. Moreover, there's a grey area--someone doing 0 damage and healing in a crystal-rank game is obviously up to something, but a more moderate amount of sandbagging comes with plausible deniability. Are they throwing? Or did they just decide to queue up drunk on a whim? Is it coincidence or conspiracy? Say there's 10 players in queue, with one good MNK and one bad MNK. You might be able to prove that the good MNK is benefitting from putting the bad MNK on the opposing team, but you can't prove they're working together. (They often aren't, I find.)

There's also the matter of deliberate sabotage. Rather than throwing games to benefit an accomplice, there are some players who throw games to spite people on their team they have a grudge against. Moderation is also near-nonexistent on this matter.

The low player population and lax moderation creates a game state that can be manipulated by those with bad intentions. Even so, the vast majority of people just want to play the game, and the vast majority of the leaderboard in any given season is legitimate. If you want to grind ladder, you shouldn't let the few bad actors discourage you. If you're skilled, you'll climb.

These problems would be alleviated if we had more players in queue. Combined regional data center queues in 7.0 please ;-;

[Towa-Musa]

In terms of cheats like scripts and speedhacking, I've personally almost never seen them. In the few instances I did find suspicious (mostly in earlier seasons), the players who may have been using those exploits were often compensating for their own lack of skill and game sense. On balance, it didn't seem to help skew matches in their favor--it was just annoying (and even exploitable, in the case of scripting).

As for wintrading, it's also fairly rare, but even in cases where players were obvious about it (one person repeatedly throwing for another on the same job), moderation has been spotty. It's more often the case that people report the offending parties en masse and nothing happens. Moreover, there's a grey area--someone doing 0 damage and healing in a crystal-rank game is obviously up to something, but a more moderate amount of sandbagging comes with plausible deniability. Are they throwing? Or did they just decide to queue up drunk on a whim? Is it coincidence or conspiracy? Say there's 10 players in queue, with one good MNK and one bad MNK. You might be able to prove that the good MNK is benefitting from putting the bad MNK on the opposing team, but you can't prove they're working together. (They often aren't, I find.)

There's also the matter of deliberate sabotage. Rather than throwing games to benefit an accomplice, there are some players who throw games to spite people on their team they have a grudge against. Moderation is also near-nonexistent on this matter.

The low player population and lax moderation creates a game state that can be manipulated by those with bad intentions. Even so, the vast majority of people just want to play the game, and the vast majority of the leaderboard in any given season is legitimate. If you want to grind ladder, you shouldn't let the few bad actors discourage you. If you're skilled, you'll climb.

These problems would be alleviated if we had more players in queue. Combined regional data center queues in 7.0 please ;-;

lol Win traders are waaaay less obvious then that, they will never have zero on healing damage or time on crystal.
The only way you can find them is if you see them in a game with the same people repeatedly and even then mod staff is not gonna do anything, you cant prove that they're win trading so they get off scott free every time
But yeah alot of the cheaters/wintraders will do stuff at the start of the season 90% of the time or just not do it at all because theres nothing to be gained after winning X amount of times.