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    HyperiusUltima's Avatar
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    Make Augmented Hellhound obtainable through Trophy Crystals

    I know: "Oh, but what about Ranked?" Well, guess what: There's an easy way to solve this.

    People already are making a fuss about exclusive rewards for PvP, but having an alternative to essentially dead queues in some DCs should be a route that even casual players can take.

    Considering you would need the normal base weapon, you're running essentially for 10,000 Trophy Crystals.

    As for Augmenting it, make it cost 50,000 Trophy Crystals. You could simply make something other than Comm. Crystals - Trophy Clusters. It'd cost quite a lot of Trophy Crystals, and it'd provide a SINK we desperately need considering there's naught of value except very few items that are tradable with Trophy Crystals.

    Thoughts?
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    Can we please not? Can Ranked keep at least one single unique thing tied to it that isn't carbon copy portrait borders seven seasons in a row?

    I see your point on the potential unavailability on certain datacenters, but your solution is to treat a symptom, not the cause of the symptom. Bargaining for alternate availability due to queue issues only helps the availability of the item, not the fact that the datacenter(s) in question is dead in CC ranked, which is the actual issue here.

    What those DCs need is incentive for people to migrate and keep queues running over there, something cross DC travel + duty finder cause issues with.

    Furthermore, what western DCs in general need is PvP communities not flocking to the big two of their region (NA Aether, EU Chaos) to get better quality games the easy way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Can we please not? Can Ranked keep at least one single unique thing tied to it that isn't carbon copy portrait borders seven seasons in a row?
    I rather rank just not exist at all. But if it's going to have any rewards, they absolutely should never go back to the silly Top 100 method. Especially in a game mode abused by bots, cheaters, and win traders. Let's stop enticing bad behavior with unique rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I rather rank just not exist at all. But if it's going to have any rewards, they absolutely should never go back to the silly Top 100 method. Especially in a game mode abused by bots, cheaters, and win traders. Let's stop enticing bad behavior with unique rewards.
    Because the Top 100 was "always" about cheaters, bots and win traders, NOBODY could possibly be legit. Clearly, being actually good at what you were doing NEVER mattered and such qualificiation would not be enough to net you a high rank.

    If you couldn't tell, this was blatant sarcasm.

    It blows my f-ing mind how you can even say what you said without actually joking. If you want more importance on cheating being dealt with, for starters you actually want more people engaging with your system so people can climb by just repeatedly playing rather than having to rely on wintrading - you do that by incentivising people of all ranks to play so there is an actual ecosystem of players. With more players around, more ingame reports can be generated against bad actors as more witness cheaters in action.

    But nah, "would rather rank not exist at all" smh my head. That comment basically just means you don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Because the Top 100 was "always" about cheaters, bots and win traders, NOBODY could possibly be legit. Clearly, being actually good at what you were doing NEVER mattered and such qualificiation would not be enough to net you a high rank.

    If you couldn't tell, this was blatant sarcasm.

    It blows my f-ing mind how you can even say what you said without actually joking. If you want more importance on cheating being dealt with, for starters you actually want more people engaging with your system so people can climb by just repeatedly playing rather than having to rely on wintrading - you do that by incentivising people of all ranks to play so there is an actual ecosystem of players. With more players around, more ingame reports can be generated against bad actors as more witness cheaters in action.

    But nah, "would rather rank not exist at all" smh my head. That comment basically just means you don't care.
    You're right I don't care for rewards locked behind ranked as I strongly and will die on this hill that rank shouldn't exist at all. Crystal Conflict is unfair, it's filled with cheaters, and any sort of incentive they try to entice me to play it with a carrot on a stick rewards makes me puke. Until they actually make the mode fun and enjoyable and TOP actually achievable without playing RNG tug-of-war, my stance will not change. I'd be happier if they scrapped the whole thing down and reworked PvP to just be more fun. But instead of that, they overvalue the rank side things and every single other PvP mode ever made has to suffer for it.
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    Last edited by Nav_Fae; 07-05-2023 at 01:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    You're right I don't care for rewards locked behind ranked as I strongly and will die on this hill that rank shouldn't exist at all. Crystal Conflict is unfair, it's filled with cheaters, and any sort of incentive they try to entice me to play it with a carrot on a stick rewards makes me puke. Until they actually make the mode fun and enjoyable and TOP actually achievable without playing RNG tug-of-war, my stance will not change. I'd be happier if they scrapped the whole thing down and reworked PvP to just be more fun. But instead of that, they overvalue the rank side things and every single other PvP mode ever made has to suffer for it.
    I am deeply sorry if you do not enjoy how Crystalline Conflict plays, I cannot do anything within my power to make you enjoy it more nor would I want to because it would feel like an effort spent in vain, as you made it very clear.

    With how much you are essentially posting how you don't care for ranked rewards, incentivisation of Ranked and would be happier if they scrapped Ranked altogether and reworked PvP again for a hypothetical audience as a complete shot in the dark to "just be more fun" without realizing that what exists right now might be fun for other people than yourself and other people who might think along your lines, don't you think it is borderline selfish to have the hopes and expectations you have for it? Have you considered that you simply aren't the target audience for Ranked Crystalline Conflict if you hate everything it stands for?

    The fun I and various others have from Ranked is not subtractive from your fun gameplay wise - if you take issue with Frontline / Rival Wings balance, chances are Limit Break charging and passive mitigation % is completely whack there, CC/Ranked has nothing to do with this. If it is about rewards, no offense, "boo hoo". Someone who wants someone else to not have something because they can't get it otherwise because they don't want to engage with it can go fart in a box and smell them for all I care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    TOP actually achievable without playing RNG tug-of-war, my stance will not change.
    While I can sympathize that indeed, the rng tug-of-war is real unless you're playing the proper jobs AND are a top 30 player in terms of skills to literally carry every game besides the doomed ones, you realize that if you make it possible to carry a lot harder, it will widen the gap of skills between players dramatically and more than it currently is, which in turn will make the highest leagues so much harder to reach if you don't perform very well right? The current tug of war is actually one of the best system for bad players to actually climb up, rng or no rng. The amount of players I see in diam that don't "deserve" to be there is staggering.

    Now I'm not saying that you're bad at that mode, mind you, and i'm sorry if it sounded like that. But you'd certainly need to pour a certain amount of time and practice in a system where skill gaps are much more obvious and valued in order to progress up.
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    Last edited by Valence; 07-06-2023 at 03:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    if it's going to have any rewards, they absolutely should never go back to the silly Top 100 method. Especially in a game mode abused by bots, cheaters, and win traders. Let's stop enticing bad behavior with unique rewards
    i DO agree that we should not reward bad behavior....
    But in the same token, if people want a payout for gambling let em just have the glowie weps. idgaf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Can we please not? Can Ranked keep at least one single unique thing tied to it that isn't carbon copy portrait borders seven seasons in a row?
    Bots, wintraders and cheaters shouldn't be rewarded, and on OCE they are the only ones consistently in the top 100 and i bet they make up the majority of them on other datacenters too.

    Unique rewards should never be locked behind this kind of system, Seems really counter productive to spend all those dev resources on items only 100 per datacenter will ever see and it will always be the same people every season getting them, why is their sub money worth more than anyone elses hmm?
    It certainly shouldn't be because they know how to cheat and exploit a more often than not dead system. (After a few weeks to a few months nobody plays Ranked and nobody can climb, and during the active time it requires luck over skill if you get a group who fights one person on the other side of the map while the rest of the enemy team cap crystal, or if you get people who actually A: Know what their doing, B: Care enough to make any effort.)

    Unique rewards should never be locked behind ranking. "But if there's no rewards then nobody will play." Yes they will, there's always those who care about being able to say they are at the top, and if nobody plays? Well then, that means there is a problem with the content and its not the lack of a reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    Bots, wintraders and cheaters shouldn't be rewarded, and on OCE they are the only ones consistently in the top 100 and i bet they make up the majority of them on other datacenters too.

    Unique rewards should never be locked behind this kind of system, Seems really counter productive to spend all those dev resources on items only 100 per datacenter will ever see and it will always be the same people every season getting them, why is their sub money worth more than anyone elses hmm?
    It certainly shouldn't be because they know how to cheat and exploit a more often than not dead system. (After a few weeks to a few months nobody plays Ranked and nobody can climb, and during the active time it requires luck over skill if you get a group who fights one person on the other side of the map while the rest of the enemy team cap crystal, or if you get people who actually A: Know what their doing, B: Care enough to make any effort.)

    Unique rewards should never be locked behind ranking. "But if there's no rewards then nobody will play." Yes they will, there's always those who care about being able to say they are at the top, and if nobody plays? Well then, that means there is a problem with the content and its not the lack of a reward.
    Bots,wintraders and cheaters that you think plague the queues should be dealt with in game moderation, not removing rewards for those dedicated, stop enabling Square to do even less with their game.
    You don't even need top 100 to get the shiny new stuff, You don't even need crystal if you are patient.
    Now that players don't need top 100 for the stuff, people want the bar even lower making it obtainable by AFKing in a daily frontline match. Absurd.
    God forbid an MMO have any kind of aspirational content or unique rewards for people who actually put the effort in and actually enjoy playing the game.
    If you don't think the rewards are worth the effort you don't have to put the effort in but that doesn't mean you should be given the stuff just for logging in.
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