Prediction: Female Hrothgar will be human-like, not beast-like

[Absurdity]

So Miqo'te/Viera 2.0
Hrothgar are feline, so it only makes sense for the females to look similar to the males. Feline face similar to the males required or it's not a Hrothgar at all.

Judging by the concept art the face will most likely have more human features, no big snout.

And we can already bet money on their body being female midlander just with different scaling applied because all of the different races, besides Lalafell, are.

But how does it stay on the great turtle's back?

Stilts

[Kazhar]

I don't think the "concept art" is worth anything. For all we know, they possibly weren't planning on releasing female Hrothgar yet when they made it. And because single-use boss NPCs have different limitations than player characters, it can't work as a preview for things to come.

We also know that half a year after they announced they were working on female Hrothgar (around live letter 68) and even longer after Bozja 5.4, only two faces were finished. So they clearly weren't close to have a definitive idea on how they wanted the race to look like when they released that artwork.

[Eisi]

So Miqo'te/Viera 2.0
Hrothgar are feline, so it only makes sense for the females to look similar to the males.

Remember Femroes, who are nothing like male Roes.

If you were to design the male equivalent to Femroe you would end up with something that looks nothing like male Roe. It would be tall, but lithe and with longer legs and shorter torso. Femroes look way more human than Roebros because they are women. If Femroes looked like a female equivalent to male Roes they would be a lot broader and their proportions would be closer to male Roe.

I expect the same to be true for femhroths versus male Hroths.

Sexual dimorphism in video game races tends to allow male chars to be less human-looking while females still need to be either 1. cute or 2. sexy or 3. beautiful, which means they tend way more in the direction of the human ideal.

[Zebraoracle]

Remember Femroes, who are nothing like male Roes.

If you were to design the male equivalent to Femroe you would end up with something that looks nothing like male Roe. It would be tall, but lithe and with longer legs and shorter torso. Femroes look way more human than Roebros because they are women. If Femroes looked like a female equivalent to male Roes they would be a lot broader and their proportions would be closer to male Roe.

I expect the same to be true for femhroths versus male Hroths.

Sexual dimorphism in video game races tends to allow male chars to be less human-looking while females still need to be either 1. cute or 2. sexy or 3. beautiful, which means they tend way more in the direction of the human ideal.

...What? Female roes definitely look like male roes though... If you put up a femroe next to a male roe or male hyur, you can clearly see they are more similar to male roes. They quite clearly look different from female hyurs, I'm not sure what femroes you're looking at lol.

Anyways, to counter your last point...
Argonians
Khajiit
Charr
Tauren
Worgen
Vulpera
Bangaa
Burmecian

There are quite a few cases where what you claimed is definitely not the case lol. My question is, why are you people wanting more of what we already have and wanting it to compete with what we already have, when we can instead have more diversity? The people who want what you're wanting already have multiple options. The people who don't have... zero?

[Iscah]

And we can already bet money on their body being female midlander just with different scaling applied because all of the different races, besides Lalafell, are.

At the most basic level, yes, but more immediately – in terms of emotes and hempen gear – they are more likely to draw from a different existing model. Likely Roegadyn, maybe Highlander or something else.

...What? Female roes definitely look like male roes though... If you put up a femroe next to a male roe or male hyur, you can clearly see they are more similar to male roes.

You're looking at it in terms of whether you can match the race-genders to each other, which you can, but if you're just looking at how Roegadyn resemble each other and differ from human proportions, male and female have very different body shapes.

Male Roegadyn, in addition to their basic largeness, are very wide. Everything is stretched horizontally on them. They are a long way from human proportions. You can look at them in isolation and see that they're meant to be big, bulky characters.

Female Roegadyn, on the other hand, still have essentially human proportions. Without other characters to compare to, you would assume they are human-sized and not as big as they actually are.

[Limecat]

Now that I think about it, what they should really do is put variants of Argos' head on a femroe and tack on some oversized cat ears.

[Nestama]

Remember Femroes, who are nothing like male Roes.

If you were to design the male equivalent to Femroe you would end up with something that looks nothing like male Roe. It would be tall, but lithe and with longer legs and shorter torso. Femroes look way more human than Roebros because they are women. If Femroes looked like a female equivalent to male Roes they would be a lot broader and their proportions would be closer to male Roe.

I expect the same to be true for femhroths versus male Hroths.

Sexual dimorphism in video game races tends to allow male chars to be less human-looking while females still need to be either 1. cute or 2. sexy or 3. beautiful, which means they tend way more in the direction of the human ideal.

So we should just accept SE do the absolute bare minimum for Hrothgar (more so than they already do) women? Yeah nah. Stuff that, mate.

Like even Au Ra look like they're of the same race, despite the males being comically massive compared to the females.

[Eisi]

Anyways, to counter your last point...
Argonians
Khajiit
Charr
Tauren
Worgen
Vulpera
Bangaa
Burmecian

Argonians are awesome. Khajit are human bodies with cat-heads slapped on - can't even be compared. Tauren/Worgen are massively sexually dimorphic, female Tauren/Worgen have big time disney-princess syndrome going on because they didn't want to actually make beastial females. Cause an actually terrifying animalistic werewolf like the male version wouldn't be feminine enough. Thus they humanized them and rid them of any personality they might have otherwise had. They turned into some of the most confused and terrible designs I've ever seen. Burmecians are very slender, human-like including the male ones. They aren't comparable to Hrothgar at all, but you are right in terms of dimorphism. Vulpera are cartoonish and disneylike and thus fall outside the category - the males already don't look like real animals but like comic versions. Bangaa are great but not playable. Charr are probably the best playable female beasts in all of gaming. They are maybe a liiiittle bit too cute in the face but whatever, they don't look like humans.

Femhroths are NOT gonna be to male Hroths what Femcharr are to male Charr. Starting with the eliminated hunch and body proportions which are gonna be completely different.

There are quite a few cases where what you claimed is definitely not the case lol. My question is, why are you people wanting more of what we already have and wanting it to compete with what we already have, when we can instead have more diversity? The people who want what you're wanting already have multiple options. The people who don't have... zero?

I don't want a more shapely and furry Femroe with a snout, I want an equivalent to male Hrothgar. An actual beastlike female race to play that isn't cute, sexy or beautiful or in any other way human - at least not anymore than people consider male Hrothgar.

What I want is definitely something other than what we already have. Something for people who like a female version of male Hroths.

What you want is another alternative for Viera to fantasia into. Something that people would be surprised to find the male equivalent to, because they expected them to be upright walking human-shaped slender beaus with cartoonish tiger-faces rather than the hunched proportionally closer to quadrupeds animal-looking actual beast-race they are.

So we should just accept SE do the absolute bare minimum for Hrothgar (more so than they already do) women? Yeah nah. Stuff that, mate.

No, which is why I made this thread. So you aren't disappointed. But I guess what I fear will happen is exactly what you actually want. Which is good for you.

Like even Au Ra look like they're of the same race, despite the males being comically massive compared to the females.

Au Ra aren't even as dimorphic as Roe (or as Hroths are going to be) yet they get acknowledged as such where for Roes nobody ever mentions it. Male Au Ra are bigger, but proportionally equivalent to Femra, unlike Roes to Femroes.

[Zebraoracle]

Argonians are awesome. Khajit are human bodies with cat-heads slapped on - can't even be compared. Tauren/Worgen are massively sexually dimorphic, female Tauren/Worgen have big time disney-princess syndrome going on because they didn't want to actually make beastial females. Cause an actually terrifying animalistic werewolf like the male version wouldn't be feminine enough. Thus they humanized them and rid them of any personality they might have otherwise had. They turned into some of the most confused and terrible designs I've ever seen. Burmecians are very slender, human-like including the male ones. They aren't comparable to Hrothgar at all, but you are right in terms of dimorphism. Vulpera are cartoonish and disneylike and thus fall outside the category - the males already don't look like real animals but like comic versions. Bangaa are great but not playable. Charr are probably the best playable female beasts in all of gaming. They are maybe a liiiittle bit too cute in the face but whatever, they don't look like humans.

Femhroths are NOT gonna be to male Hroths what Femcharr are to male Charr. Starting with the eliminated hunch and body proportions which are gonna be completely different.




I don't want a more shapely and furry Femroe with a snout, I want an equivalent to male Hrothgar. An actual beastlike female race to play that isn't cute, sexy or beautiful or in any other way human - at least not anymore than people consider male Hrothgar.

What I want is definitely something other than what we already have. Something for people who like a female version of male Hroths.

What you want is another alternative for Viera to fantasia into. Something that people would be surprised to find the male equivalent to, because they expected them to be upright walking human-shaped slender beaus with cartoonish tiger-faces rather than the hunched proportionally closer to quadrupeds animal-looking actual beast-race they are.

...Argonians and Khajiit are literally the same thing, dude, human bodies with animal heads slapped on. You're just showing bias with that statement lol, and this coming from someone who's favorite race in TES are the Argonians.

And what I want is another alternative for viera to fantasia into? Excuse me what lmao? I want femhroths to actually look like hrothgar, like this:


Not miqo'te 2.0.

No, which is why I made this thread. So you aren't disappointed. But I guess what I fear will happen is exactly what you actually want. Which is good for you.

Yeah, we want a niche that isn't filled. The horror.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

God Willing, Fanfest coming up will FINALLY Prove, or Disprove all of our Hopes and Fears.
And we can FINALLY put this Debate on how their Appearance will be, to rest.