Now that FF16 will feature LGBT+ characters, can we get some rep in FF14 too?

[SquirrelDerp]

Again, I see the point. I understand what you mean.

I just disagree. Because it happens in real life. It's not bad storytelling to reference real life, lol

[Kes13a]

Again, I see the point. I understand what you mean.

I just disagree. Because it happens in real life. It's not bad storytelling to reference real life, lol

but how would they do it in this rating of game without being in your face about it??

have Alisae say "by the way, I have male dangly bits" or walk in on Estinien and Alphinaud in a back room somewhere? the OP is a troll that constantly posts things like this for teh drama, and while yes, you are correct, it does happen in life, but writing it in tastefully and getting the point of it across is virtually impossible without having some npc running around in your face about it. how would any of the scions coming out, or any of the other major npc's be written so it actually relates to the story at this point? or is even relevant? most people playing, even members of those communities.. dont care, and have no need to see it. as a member of that side of things, all these threads are posted for is to stir up drama, nothing more.

[SquirrelDerp]

but how would they do it in this rating of game without being in your face about it??

have Alisae say "by the way, I have male dangly bits" or walk in on Estinien and Alphinaud in a back room somewhere?

I mean yeah, Alisae suddenly saying that out of nowhere would, indeed, be in your face.

But as random examples?(Not saying I want this to happen)

-Estinien turns down Zero. Mentions he's not interested in relationships. That could be a gentle way to show he's ace
-Alphinaud blushes like Zero did when seeing a shirtless dude.
-G'raha admits to having a crush on the WoL, which would make him bi depending on the player char
-Alisae already seem to mega crush on the WoL
-Uriage(I can't spell his name i'm sorry) just suddenly starts being refereed to by they/them, because off screen he asked the other scions to, and at one point when you say 'he' he's like "Ah, wilst though say 'they', for it is a better fit". Unless a single line is forced too?
-As a non-scion example, we just meet someone with a seemingly male body who is refereed to as she. Though from my experience that makes a lot of gamers really mad(Baulder's gate 2 expansion drama, had a character who 4-5 text choices down the line would say they used to be a boy. Made gamers extremely mad to the point they mad mods to murder the character.)

Not saying it should happen, but it happening when(afaik) none of them have canon sexualities could work, and would be realistic. Though no matter how it's done people would see it as forced because they have their own headcanon.

the OP is a troll that constantly posts things like this for teh drama

I'm new and wasn't aware of this, but the topic itself seemed like a fine request

and while yes, you are correct, it does happen in life, but writing it in tastefully and getting the point of it across is virtually impossible without having some npc running around in your face about it. how would any of the scions coming out, or any of the other major npc's be written so it actually relates to the story at this point? or is even relevant? most people playing, even members of those communities.. dont care, and have no need to see it. as a member of that side of things, all these threads are posted for is to stir up drama, nothing more.

Saying there's no way to have it happen without it being forced is kinda unimaginative, no offense. There's lots of ways, the limit is the writer's imagination. I'd much rather a new character, though, to adding it to an old one, if only because it gets exhausting seeing people use it as proof there's some weird agenda(Not saying you or the other person are saying this)

You're right though, it is an easy way to spark drama and outrage. (This reads as passive aggressive but it's not)


Edit: Random trans idea? A jerk character who knew the twins when they were young makes a snide "You and your sister" to Alisae, revealing Alphinaud is transmasc. Doesn't have to be brought up at all really, just a "Yo leave the boy alone" and show it changes nothing.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean yeah, Alisae suddenly saying that out of nowhere would, indeed, be in your face.

But as random examples?(Not saying I want this to happen)

-Estinien turns down Zero. Mentions he's not interested in relationships. That could be a gentle way to show he's ace
-Alphinaud blushes like Zero did when seeing a shirtless dude.
-G'raha admits to having a crush on the WoL, which would make him bi depending on the player char
-Alisae already seem to mega crush on the WoL
-Uriage(I can't spell his name i'm sorry) just suddenly starts being refereed to by they/them, because off screen he asked the other scions to, and at one point when you say 'he' he's like "Ah, wilst though say 'they', for it is a better fit". Unless a single line is forced too?
-As a non-scion example, we just meet someone with a seemingly male body who is refereed to as she. Though from my experience that makes a lot of gamers really mad(Baulder's gate 2 expansion drama, had a character who 4-5 text choices down the line would say they used to be a boy. Made gamers extremely mad to the point they mad mods to murder the character.)

Not saying it should happen, but it happening when(afaik) none of them have canon sexualities could work, and would be realistic. Though no matter how it's done people would see it as forced because they have their own headcanon.




I'm new and wasn't aware of this, but the topic itself seemed like a fine request



Saying there's no way to have it happen without it being forced is kinda unimaginative, no offense. There's lots of ways, the limit is the writer's imagination. I'd much rather a new character, though, to adding it to an old one, if only because it gets exhausting seeing people use it as proof there's some weird agenda(Not saying you or the other person are saying this)

You're right though, it is an easy way to spark drama and outrage. (This reads as passive aggressive but it's not)


Edit: Random trans idea? A jerk character who knew the twins when they were young makes a snide "You and your sister" to Alisae, revealing Alphinaud is transmasc. Doesn't have to be brought up at all really, just a "Yo leave the boy alone" and show it changes nothing.

So basically this game would become all around characters denying each other for sex or showing what sexuality they are instead of an MMORPG

great just what this game needs

[SquirrelDerp]

So basically this game would become all around characters denying each other for sex or showing what sexuality they are instead of an MMORPG

great just what this game needs

I mean if you don't want to read what I wrote that's fine too, I guess.

I didn't know giving examples, when asked for examples, would make it difficult to understand. Oh well.

characters denying each other for sex

Though I have to wonder if you think characters has been accepting sex offers or something. I feel like I missed that scene lmao

[Hurlstone]

So basically this game would become all around characters denying each other for sex or showing what sexuality they are instead of an MMORPG

great just what this game needs

How... how does their post say anything like that? All they suggest is like, one off lines at most. Theres more sexuality being expose in NPCs talking about Thancred being a ladies man, Krile teasing Alphinaud about how he would be embaressed around girls, and not to mention Urianger’s arc with Moenbryda ect.

[Stormpeaks]

How... how does their post say anything like that? All they suggest is like, one off lines at most. Theres more sexuality being expose in NPCs talking about Thancred being a ladies man, Krile teasing Alphinaud about how he would be embaressed around girls, and not to mention Urianger’s arc with Moenbryda ect.

I am more talking that it's sort of forced, at least the original idea is, if you really think about it, there is no need for any of what I quoted in my previous post to happen, now if you want to make new characters (and please god i hope that happens, msq is so boring at this point with the same characters all the time) and for the new characters to be gay,bi or trans or whatever else, there's too many genders at this point but you get the idea, I'm all for it, as long as it's done in a smooth way without forcing it

[Hurlstone]

I am more talking that it's sort of forced, at least the original idea is, if you really think about it, there is no need for any of what I quoted in my previous post to happen, now if you want to make new characters (and please god i hope that happens, msq is so boring at this point with the same characters all the time) and for the new characters to be gay,bi or trans or whatever else, there's too many genders at this point but you get the idea, I'm all for it, as long as it's done in a smooth way without forcing it

True, there may be no real need for that information to come out (ha) but that can be said about many things we know about these characters. If we have a quest where we must find out what the Scions favourite donut filling is, does the game suddenly become about feasting and denying savour treats? Is that what a MMORPG should be? Frankly when it comes to RPGs, I want to know more stuff like that. I am the type of person who will go through ever dialogue tree option. If the stern military leader has a secret love of romantic fiction, I want to know! Characters risk becoming flat and forgettable if all we know about them has to be tied directly into the story beats. Thats not to say we have to find out characters preferences that way, or that the writing fails if its left a mystery, just that I do not see how finding out that way as some sort of knock on the head with a big pink mallet, perhaps so long as the conversation is not straight (ha) away 'Hello person I have never seen before, I am a lady who likes other ladies and will only talk about this for the next eight hours.' Frankly thats anoying enough when some RPG characters trope is just 'flirtatious ladies man'

Plus, no video game is prefect with all of its themes and how it handles character interactions and involvement. Just because past cases have felt forced in some peoples eyes, that does not mean we should cast the idea as taboo or pre-judge how a game may do it. Like I have been really enjoying FFXVI and love how Dion is used, but I could also write an essay on how the writing fails on other levels, in regards to some supporting characters and how some of their themes are explored etc. Creating a new character who is not heteronormative may well indeed be the best way forward in regards to less ‘controversy’, and honestly after the way Dion has been received I think this will happen in 7.0 or beyond, but even then there will be those calling such an act forced or moving the goalposts. You see it even when original LGBTQ characters are revealed, and especially in the rare occasions where trans characters are involved, given how they are most bigots #1 target at the moment.

To be fair hearing the person is a flamebaiter kinda explains this. I've been in the lgbt community for a long time, and the most I've heard is LGBTQA+, and one thing anti-lgbt people tend to do is add a ton of random letters to make it hard to read. Sidenote, if you ever see them add a "P", it's a 100% absolute sign that they're an anti-lgbt troll.

"2S" in this case means Two Spirit(I'm assuming), but most two spirit people I know(Grew up in Oklahoma, Two Spirit is a native american thing) just consider themselves trans, so they're covered in the T.

Honestly I feel I lost the 'Updated name' memo, because the only people I ever hear use that expanded definition are people complaining about it. Kinda feels more like its just been parroted as an attack against the community, rather then an honest attempt to expand it. Akin to the assumptions people make about trans folk.

[Hurlstone]

I mean yeah, Alisae suddenly saying that out of nowhere would, indeed, be in your face.

But as random examples?(Not saying I want this to happen)

-Estinien turns down Zero. Mentions he's not interested in relationships. That could be a gentle way to show he's ace
-Alphinaud blushes like Zero did when seeing a shirtless dude.
-G'raha admits to having a crush on the WoL, which would make him bi depending on the player char
-Alisae already seem to mega crush on the WoL
-Uriage(I can't spell his name i'm sorry) just suddenly starts being refereed to by they/them, because off screen he asked the other scions to, and at one point when you say 'he' he's like "Ah, wilst though say 'they', for it is a better fit". Unless a single line is forced too?
-As a non-scion example, we just meet someone with a seemingly male body who is refereed to as she. Though from my experience that makes a lot of gamers really mad(Baulder's gate 2 expansion drama, had a character who 4-5 text choices down the line would say they used to be a boy. Made gamers extremely mad to the point they mad mods to murder the character.)

Not saying it should happen, but it happening when(afaik) none of them have canon sexualities could work, and would be realistic. Though no matter how it's done people would see it as forced because they have their own headcanon.

Well said on thos remarks. Characters like Estinien, G'raha, Alisae have not really even show any interest in the opposit sex/romance anyway, so I really do not think them turning out to be LGBTQ+ would be some magical switch. Like you said, there are a lot of imaganitive ways writers can show thses things without it being forced. Mistakes of other studios handling does not mean these should be considered 'taboo' topics to explore.

I'm new and wasn't aware of this, but the topic itself seemed like a fine request

Welcome to the forum! Yeah I used to think the same, but the OP is simply a troll who starts these threads to try and ignite fights between people. Now usually I am fine with winding anti-LGBTQ folk up, but these threads have a habit of getting ugly and hateful thanks to this forums lack of actual moderation.

[Kes13a]

Saying there's no way to have it happen without it being forced is kinda unimaginative, no offense. There's lots of ways, the limit is the writer's imagination. I'd much rather a new character, though, to adding it to an old one, if only because it gets exhausting seeing people use it as proof there's some weird agenda(Not saying you or the other person are saying this)

You're right though, it is an easy way to spark drama and outrage. (This reads as passive aggressive but it's not)

the problem, which western people tend to gloss over, is the game is meant to be available in many countries with many cultures and many people of differing values on ratings boards. something benign in one country/culture could be a raging fire in another. sure, its a grand idea in concept, but in reality, would never fly. so SE and the writing direction, would never implement the concept in a mmo that it intends to have broad appeal.

and yeah, its a "fine request" until you actually check all the other "requests" along these lines that the OP and his multitude of alts have put forth. the first one, had it been in good faith, would have been a fine request, but repeatedly? its now just trying to cause drama and be in your face about it.