Make Public transportation in Eorzea Free

[Jojoya]

As usual you have the completely wrong interpretation of what I'm going for here. This is for people who want these sorts of things in game and have them be money inefficient as well as time inefficient is a punishment. Not to change the teleport preference of most players. Do let me know if you have any good ideas though.

Look at the title of your thread. You want "public" transportation to be free. How is my discussing transportation costs misinterpreting your intent when you state that's what you want.

Right now you can farm hunts and collect aetheryte tickets which remove the cost of teleports, not only are they faster but also encouraged via this system.

Again, a focus on transportation costs. Still in line with your thread title and my response.

Now teleporting and fast travel culture will likely never go away, but perhaps throw a bone or encourage players to use the actual game transportation systems that have been built for it.

You're expressing a desire to have more incentives to encourage players to use the various transportation systems. Making those systems free to use could easily be seen a "throwing a bone" or a method to encourage players to use those systems,

These systems used to have real ships, cutscenes and an atmosphere associated with them. They have all been removed.

Someone else pointed out that the game never had the real ships (not something I can speak to personally since I only started playing about a month before HW launch).

I did point out that what cutscenes we have are still there, primarily the airship cutscenes but I also know that there's a cutscene for the ferry between Vesper Bay and Limsa. You are incorrect to say that they have all been removed.

Atmosphere? The atmosphere I remember experiencing was usually related to the MSQ that was prompting the travel and not the travel itself. But that's subjective and my own impression. I can't speak for how you feel about them.

I know the game is designed around fast travel now a days unfortunately but at least try to keep the facade that this is a real living world where people use transportation methods other than teleportation everywhere and encourage the use of those system by at least providing some benefits to using it.

I'll repeat - the façade is there. We still have the airships, ferries and porters that were there when I first started playing plus additional connections added since then. They aren't invisible just because I may be using Teleport instead.

And at the end you once again you state you wish to encourage use of those systems by providing some benefit to using them. Is the lack of a fee not a benefit when Teleport does require one (either in gil or through the consumption of an Aetheryte ticket)?.

Going back to your reply to me

This is for people who want these sorts of things in game and have them be money inefficient as well as time inefficient is a punishment.

I'm a bit confused on whether you're asserting that my response is only relevant to those who want inefficiency or if you're stating that you want the transportation system to be more inefficient for those who are using them for the sake of some sort of realism that would include such inefficency.

So I've gone from reading your original posts that seemed to be requesting to make non-Teleport transportation options free to use (which I stated I didn't have a problem with) to a response that leaves me in doubt about what your actual intent is.

What is it that you're trying to ask for? Evidently it's not a fee-free transportation system regardless of what your title says or you wouldn't be telling me I've interpreted what you were saying wrong.

Are you looking for a revamp of the transportation systems not just in cost but in other ways to make them more immersive? I wouldn't necessarily argue against it being done (depends on specifics) but I also would say I highly doubt SE would go to the effort. They've got other content to work on and a revamp of transportation would potentially pull a considerable portion of the development team away from that content, halting its development.

If I'm totally off base about what you're looking for, then give us a better description than what you put into your original post.

I'd love trains... I'd love to ride one and look at the scenery as we go.

Agree it would be nice. It's still not something I think most players would take advantage of past the first couple of times done as a novelty. The developers have to weigh the net benefit against the time/costs to implement - would they think it's worth the effort?

They are here just to argue against any and every change and feedback proposed. Pray, pay those who post in bad faith no mind. I concur that such transportation methods should be revitalized for the players who enjoy RP (real RP) and immersion.

Considering you're one of the biggest bad faith posters here in the forums, I'm always amused by the irony.

Please tell me where I argued against change in my post. I said I saw no problem with making the other transportation systems free,

What I did say is that making them free is not going to encourage more players to use those systems, which seemed to be the other stated goal in the original post. It wasn't an argument against the idea. It was stating my opinion that it would not have the desired effect.

[DiaDeem]

Agree it would be nice. It's still not something I think most players would take advantage of past the first couple of times done as a novelty. The developers have to weigh the net benefit against the time/costs to implement - would they think it's worth the effort?

I'm being horribly niche with my wish here lol. I'm probably in a minority, but I'd love if there was an Eorzean line you could take, where you do... Ul'Dah to Gridania, to Limsa, to Ishgard, to.. dunno, Islabard? to Ala Mhigo, with each leg of the journey taking 5ish IRL minutes or whatever? I'd take that just to chill and look around, then again I'm the type that enjoys YouTube train cams. I feel it'd make the world feel much bigger though. I remember when I was new to the game, playing ARR and I saw the tracks in Black Brush station, and I got excited.

Don't get me wrong, airships and ocean ships are nice and all, but trains let you enjoy the scenery, not just fly over it or go across empty ocean, which I wouldn't really oppose either.

[Jojoya]

I'm being horribly niche with my wish here lol. I'm probably in a minority, but I'd love if there was an Eorzean line you could take, where you do... Ul'Dah to Gridania, to Limsa, to Ishgard, to.. dunno, Islabard? to Ala Mhigo, with each leg of the journey taking 5ish IRL minutes or whatever? I'd take that just to chill and look around, then again I'm the type that enjoys YouTube train cams. I feel it'd make the world feel much bigger though. I remember when I was new to the game, playing ARR and I saw the tracks in Black Brush station, and I got excited.

Don't get me wrong, airships and ocean ships are nice and all, but trains let you enjoy the scenery, not just fly over it or go across empty ocean, which I wouldn't really oppose either.

Oh I agree on train rides, though I'd disagree that airship rides don't have a similar value. I think they do, it's just a different perspective. When I used to fly, I'd always go for the window seat so I could look at the world spread out below with several different types of terrain sometime included in the same view - not to mention weather effects on a large scale assuming the plane itself was in clear or fair skies. I can remember watching a massive lightning storm from a couple of hundred miles away on one flight - both beautiful and somewhat scary.

But I look at how they handled Ocean fishing. Where they could have set it up with a scrolling backdrop to make it look as if the ship was continuing to move while everyone fished, instead the ship remains in a static location with only a brief cutscene for a zone transition. Considering how huge fishing is as a "hobby" in game, if that's all the effort they put into making it more immersive I don't see them putting more effort into a transportation system. I'd rather temper my expectations with the reality of what they're more likely to deliver.

[DiaDeem]

weather effects on a large scale assuming the plane itself was in clear or fair skies. I can remember watching a massive lightning storm from a couple of hundred miles away on one flight - both beautiful and somewhat scary.

That actually does sound really cool!

[Canadane]

There was 1 real boat service in 1.0 that was EXTREMELY bare bones, with less functionality than FFXI's ships. All you could do was walk around an empty boat for 15 minutes. Sometimes there was a lightning storm. I didn't miss it at all when it was gone.

Hey now...

You could fish and craft on it.

[Aword3213]

Right now you can farm hunts and collect aetheryte tickets which remove the cost of teleports, not only are they faster but also encouraged via this system.

Now teleporting and fast travel culture will likely never go away, but perhaps throw a bone or encourage players to use the actual game transportation systems that have been built for it.

These systems used to have real ships, cutscenes and an atmosphere associated with them. They have all been removed.

I know the game is designed around fast travel now a days unfortunately but at least try to keep the facade that this is a real living world where people use transportation methods other than teleportation everywhere and encourage the use of those system by at least providing some benefits to using it.

I'm confused.

Are you talking about the fee, the means to travel between states or the cutscenes?

The fees are already minimal and the means to travel still exist.

Cutscenes seemed to be limited on the travel between 3 AAR city states. I'm not sure about it though because I have them disabled.

[Aword3213]

Considering you're one of the biggest bad faith posters here in the forums, I'm always amused by the irony.

Please tell me where I argued against change in my post. I said I saw no problem with making the other transportation systems free,

and he/she wonders why

[Renalt]

I think I get what Ath is saying. They want the public transportation to be free while the instant teleports cost gil like it already does. Paying for public transportation doesn't make since if we are already paying for instant transmission abilities.

Take the scenic route for free or pay gil for the instant port. Some people would like to use boats and airships to get around at least for RP reasons even if they established in the lore that teleporting is an in-world ability.

Let me know if I'm in the ball park or way off the mark.

[Vidu]

I think I get what Ath is saying. They want the public transportation to be free while the instant teleports cost gil like it already does. Paying for public transportation doesn't make since if we are already paying for instant transmission abilities.

Take the scenic route for free or pay gil for the instant port. Some people would like to use boats and airships to get around at least for RP reasons even if they established in the lore that teleporting is an in-world ability.

But people who'd like to take the scenic route can already do that - at least I do that frequently when following the MSQ (within a certain amount of reason). Why would there need to be more incentive to do so? Thats what I dont get - if someone wants to use boats and airhsips because they prefer the immersion, they can make that choice. Why does it matter that other people make the same choice? Is the hope here that SE will see how many people are using the airships, so that they will rework them?

If you dont want to use teleports, you already can - unless you lack self discipline...

But I look at how they handled Ocean fishing. Where they could have set it up with a scrolling backdrop to make it look as if the ship was continuing to move while everyone fished, instead the ship remains in a static location with only a brief cutscene for a zone transition. Considering how huge fishing is as a "hobby" in game, if that's all the effort they put into making it more immersive I don't see them putting more effort into a transportation system. I'd rather temper my expectations with the reality of what they're more likely to deliver.

I dont think fishing on a moving boat would be possible? Having it in a static loaction is simply realistic - they could have replaced the cutscenes with the boat actually moving around between fishing spots though...

[Dzian]

When you can earn 12,000 gil for ten minutes of work running a roulette as the role in need, the 40-gil ferry is basically free already – and teleport costs aren't worth fretting over, either.

That said, my main issue with "public transport" in this game is the increasing uselessness of the chocobo network, which used to be the slower and cheaper option and went to places that didn't have teleport access, but now only runs from aetheryte locations and can be more expensive than just teleporting there.

Too many aetherytes in the newer zones. That's the issue..

Do we really need 2 aetherytes less than a minute a part in some zones...

They could literally just have 1 per region and then go with the chocobo network to branch out from there