Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing

[VelKallor]

Oh yeah, all those fake death scenes on UT. What inspirational cutscenes I guess, lol.

This has been said over and over but they DID NOT DIE. They were never dead. Their souls were torn into another reality aka the First, as Yshtola said 'you can use the stone to call us back but you mustnt" - by that she meant where they were was altering the reality the WoL sees, UT was a malleable, pliable reality that was affected / influenced by emotion, "Emet -Selch "They no longer need fight their fight"., meaning that the Scions did not need to use their own spiritual power / influence to push forward, to forge ahead.

Calling them back would defeat their purpose in being there, their actual destiny to shape the path for the friend they love so dearly. They knew this could happen, they knew what they could face, but that sacrifice, that courage, that determination to forge ahead regardless was what tipped the scales, their souls and beliefs pitted against the cries of fear and despair of a thousand dead races.

Years ago, I read a Green Lantern comic, Nekron I think it was, in his plane of existence he gloated that he had taken the lives of many of Jordans friends..yet that was his undoing as Jordan exulted "Yes, but you have forgotten something...im betting that not even death can still the heart of a Green Lantern"

Dynamis is NOT a reality in the true sense, it is a form, a dimension that can be altered..what you think, what you feel becomes what is around you, infinitely changeable by pure WILL. As each Scion was swept into that plane, the bridge appeared because each of them willed it to appear again, Emet-Selch "What said path takes depends on you, so focus, focus and envision that which rejects the claim that you cannot attain your goal"

There were no fake-out deaths as they were never dead. They were no longer part of the Ultima Thule, but who they WERE remains, I keep seeing this disconnect and it always annoys me when you consider that in terms of magic, dynamis, the physical is NOT the all, it is but one part of a greater whole where physicality means NOTHING and where the mind, the heart the soul, dictate the reality you see around you.

Dynamis (δύναμις, in Greek) is a very ancient Greek word. It is already attested in Homer. We are sure that it is a very archaic word in the Greek lexicon. Originally, it meant simply ‘strength’, but it is relevant to emphasize that ancient Greek has six different words to name ‘strength’. In its semantic history, however, dynamis has meant ‘strength’, ‘authority’, ‘power’, but, especially through Aristotle, it has also been resemantized in the sense of ‘potential’.

Perhaps most importantly, dunamis can refer to “inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth

Potential. Thats the key word here. In Ultima Thule, what you BELIEVE, what you feel, what you are in your very nature, creates what you "see" around you. The mistake here is to equate physical being with existence, which is WRONG since one can and does exist separate and distinct from the other.

This body, the waking dream we call reality is but one facet of a much larger whole. After seeing God knows how many take that next step into the veil, this I know with all my being.

They never died. Their bodies were no longer there, but THEY existed, in a plane where they could, and did, fight Meteion on her own ground and win, substitute their reality, their strength, their love, fighting Meteions nihilistic despair in shaping the very ground on which we stood.

What they willed to be, WAS.

[AwesomeJr44]

There was no fake-out deaths as they were never dead.

Does establishing this really change anything related to this discussion outside of semantics?

Besides, if it's not a fake-out death, then it's somehow even worse. The scions have so much plot armor that they can't even suffer a fake death in an expansion about overcoming despair.

On the contrary, a lot of people with criticism towards the story do want action and meaningful consequences in the narrative.

Yes. I would indeed prefer meaningful consequences over the mega safe nonsense we get currently where every main character has plot armor thicker than my future.

The game has been notoriously preachy and saccharine in recent years, with the only actual stakes being targeted at throwaway one-scene wonders such as Tesleen and anyone even remotely antagonistic.

Ironically, the message being preached is antithetical to the story that's being shown. You can't overcome despair if you don't experience actual despair.

Quoting your sig for a second to address point number 1: All of the threads I have seen you start are always a criticism. After awhile, one start to think everything you bring up is negative towards the game. Therefore, the conclusion people will make is:
1) You hate the game and therefor you should stop giving money to a company that you dislike their product that they will not be changing their views
or
2) You are just another bad troll on the forums.

I'm leaning towards number 2 since you think someone calling you out for nothing but negative postings is "bad-faith" when we clearly have plenty of evidence to back up the fact that it seems you hate the game.

People are not required to post positive threads/posts for their criticism to be valid. If people are making that conclusion, then they clearly didn't think their reasoning through.