Seigneur's glamour set

[Carin-Eri]

Actually indirectly you do have an impact on what the company does, doesnt really matter if you accept or not, the more you purchase stuff from said company, the more you enable them to make more "premium" stuff instead of putting it in the game, it's not about being guilty or being concerned, it's about the fact you indirectly have an impact of the game, and people have the right to call you out for it.

"Call out"? Yeah, perhaps.

Insult? Not so much.

[AwesomeJr44]

If you want to pin those lables on anyone, look no further than those players addicted to buying lootboxes in just about any game that is committed to a business model with no qualms about encouraging gambling addiction. Game players who then post on forums/social media bemoaning how they spent all their money and didn't win anything worthwhile..... and then go back and do the same thing all over again when their wages are next paid.
Compared to that, I have no problem with buying an item I like, for a fixed price, and getting exactly what it says on the proverbial tin.

Literal textbook whataboutism. People buying lootboxes in other games doesn't make my argument any less true. Make whatever financial decisions you want, but if you're dropping $18 on a full price mogstation outfit, I have the right to criticize you for making a poor decision.

Actually indirectly you do have an impact on what the company does, doesnt really matter if you accept or not, the more you purchase stuff from said company, the more you enable them to make more "premium" stuff instead of putting it in the game, it's not about being guilty or being concerned, it's about the fact you indirectly have an impact of the game, and people have the right to call you out for it.

^ This. The enablers are upset that they're being called out for what they're doing.

Hey, if it didn't come at the cost of telling SE it's okay to screw over Viera and Hrothgar players

I'm far more concerned with the absolutely ridiculous prices than whether a hat works on certain races. Although to be fair, I'd prefer it if Hrothgar had never gotten added to the game at all, (primarily because they consume dev resources just to give them features other races already have) so take that with a grain of salt I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if their ears get cut off, lalafells and elezen

Helmets that show the ears for elezen typically look worse for doing so, so honestly if the ears get cut off, I see that as a plus.

[Zebraoracle]

I'm far more concerned with the absolutely ridiculous prices

Well I did address that in the later part of that post you quoted. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay more for a glamour set than for the actual subscription for the game, which is expounded upon by certain races not being able even use parts of the sets and the sets removing anatomical features (fair on the ears, but removing a tail is freaking wild).

[AwesomeJr44]

Well I did address that in the later part of that post you quoted.

I know, I'm just expressing how I think one part of the issue is much more egregious than the other.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay more for a glamour set than for the actual subscription for the game

I agree 1000%.

Too bad I have zero faith that this situation will ever be fixed because too many people don't actually see an issue here... ._.

That's unfortunately a great many issues with the game these days. There's a genuine issue that will never get fixed because people would rather plug their ears and pretend it's fine.

[Zebraoracle]

I know, I'm just expressing how I think one part of the issue is much more egregious than the other.



I agree 1000%.

To be fair, it was less about one part being worse and more "we have to pay THIS much for something that 1. doesn't fully work for some people and 2. removes parts of other peoples' characters". Too bad I have zero faith that this situation will ever be fixed because too many people don't actually see an issue here... ._.

[Tsumdere]

At the very least, they should offer a discount if you plan on sending it to a Viera/Hrothgar character. Same with anything that has unequipable parts like the Aymeric set.

[Nihility]

I like the set quite a lot, a bit unfortunate it dyes so intensely it sort of makes you look like a crayon but the undyed is already top-notch so not that big an issue

[Iscah]

First up, there's a misunderstanding that's getting compounded here and in danger of turning into a "fact".

Has a cape.

*Angry Miqo'te noises*

While some may not care, I actually am not going to spend cash on items that remove core features of my race - in this case a tail that otherwise would not be confined in the pants of this outfit.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay more for a glamour set than for the actual subscription for the game, which is expounded upon by certain races not being able even use parts of the sets and the sets removing anatomical features (fair on the ears, but removing a tail is freaking wild).

The initial post said nothing about the cape removing tails, and it does not. Tails are visible with this outfit. It's just the usual can't-win-either-way issue that the tail clips through the cape rather awkwardly.

I feel like it would have looked better with a half-cape if they insisted on adding one.

It is nice I do prefer the more fantasy style than modern. but why does the female set always get awful looking trousers...it would be nice to get a skirt now and then. And the hat is very similar to what we have been getting lately so I think the designer must love that style lol...whereas I am not fussed.

I feel like the base problem is that they keep coming up with outfits that call for boring trousers for both genders lately, and they just keep putting in ever more pairs of boring trousers just so they can have a full set and not have people complain that it didn't come with pants.

Either they need to start leaving pants out of sets (in this case they could have given the capeless tunic as an alternate piece instead) or they need to start doing more wild and interesting things with them. The Boulevardier set comes to mind -- people complained about the frilly pantaloons, but at least it was something different and if you didn't like them, you could just substitute more conventional trousers into the set.

Basically this tbh, tired of most in game glams just looking terrible while the "HQ" ones are on the mog shop

Personal opinion is personal. I love the in-game gear.

iirc they don't include sets into sales until the set is like 6+ months old. I wouldn't expect this one to get discounted till maybe a xmas/new years sale if they have one.

I think they might have shifted somewhat in their sales logic -- I recall recent Rising sales being more about "all non-seasonal gear in the shop" rather than the older approach of "everything in the shop except recent releases".

There was something -- I think it was the Lord/Lady Errant sets? -- that went on sale surprisingly soon after release. I remember it because I rarely buy things and I decided to just go for it because it wouldn't be cheaper for a long time yet, and then of course it was the one time that it actually was cheaper shortly after.

This is exactly what my first thought was. Dungeon set, will not buy. Which is not a bad thing imo, it's good to have nice dungeon sets for free. Maybe someone else finds this suitable enough for their character that they will spend money on it.

Dungeon sets are my favourite sort of sets. I want them to be making more things in the realm of dungeon sets, not just "fantasy is for dungeons, modern gear everywhere else" like they've been doing lately.

Is dyeable? Is nots onesie?

Only the NPC costumes get the undyeable onesie approach.

I'm not even strictly against MTX in general, but $18 for a glamour set is laughable, no matter how many justifications you try to pull. Just to put it in perspective, Steam has summer sales right now, for those $18 (to be fair, for me it says 13.5 euro, idk what's the deal with this pricing), you could get either of these games and still have few bucks left:

The thing is, firstly you still have to want to buy those specific games for them to be valuable, and secondly those are generally prices that have dropped over time. They're in the virtual equivalent of the bargain bin now, because anyone willing to pay full game price for them already did so long ago.

Thirdly, if I did feel like buying any of those games, I would weigh up that decision independently of deciding whether to buy glamour sets or not, because I am well off enough that I can choose to buy both if I wish to. (And if I wasn't, and wanted both, then yeah I would probably go for a full game over a digital outfit. But that's not a choice I need to make.)

It would be nice if the outfits here were cheaper, but they're not, and games aren't the only thing to weigh the comparison against. I can spend $10-15 on a meal, I have to spend $30 a week on train tickets, a few hundred dollars trickle out of my bank account monthly to pay regular bills... life is expensive and a lot of things cost far more for less lasting benefit than the one-off purchase of a digital outfit that is potentially going to get a lot of use over time.

I don't just leap to purchase every new set as it comes out. I only buy things as I have a specific use for them in mind. A few were mistakes, but so are other things, like games I've bought and then not liked. But the good ones get used a lot and that $18 cost gets spread out over many many hours of playtime.

Despite having started this thread, I haven't actually bought the Seigneur's set, but if it existed five years ago then I would have bought it entirely for those knee-length boots that are exactly what I was wanting at a point in the game where it seemed like the mage classes didn't get any boots in that style even though physical classes did. And then I would have gotten five years' wear out of those boots by now, which is probably more than I can hope for from any real pair of boots at that price.

[Narissa]

Square afraid of the min-maxxers that would fantasia to Viera, buy all the glam they want, and then swap back /s

Ya but the point is, it would be locked to only those 2 races.. so switching back would render their purchase useless.. like 90% of the costume purchases on there is for a Viera/Hrothgar right now.

They can race lock, as we've already seen via the starting outfit, so this isn't impossible.

[Carin-Eri]

I like the set quite a lot, a bit unfortunate it dyes so intensely it sort of makes you look like a crayon but the undyed is already top-notch so not that big an issue

A brave admission, considering the response I received for saying similar!