Please make Criterion reward gear.

[kidknee]

This is 2 months after savage so it shouldn't matter. This is catchup gear and incentive for new content.
Make upgrades with savage books so you need less savage books to upgrade them.

[Sazuzaki]

Oh yeah that's right, they usually come in x.x5 patches.

I wouldn't mind Criterion also rewarding a large sum of tomes on a weekly basis to make it easier to reach the tome cap. Maybe around 120-150? Would add an incentive to come back and get a clear. Getting to the weekly tome cap has always felt like a chore.

[TmzOS]

It is a side content, should never go near raid gear (Raid gear already got a limited relevance and soon doing raids will be something skippable... for some players it is already skippable, since having top bis gear in this game is pointless sometimes). They could add something like cool random glams or furnishings (like DD or the island), nothing more.

[kidknee]

Bis is mainly used for ultimates and people complain if they are not able to get off jobs to bis when the ultimate comes out (like a smn main might want to play blm if dps check is tough)
Savage is already mostly dead after 2 months. When criterian comes out.
People who want to learn off jobs can start with higher gear so they get a little help and not be on crafted and "grief" party while others are near bis, even pf has min ilvl requirements.
You still need savage books for upgrade so still you are forced to do 1-2 savage for upgrade, this way savage might stay relevant.
Without gear numbers, ilvl, it doesn't hit your dopamine circuitry hard enuf to motivate you. Even though it seems pointless ... Brain thinks otherwise.
Adding mount, furnishing might not be a strong incentive to put development time in criterion when hardly People play criterion

[Sazuzaki]

Bis is mainly used for ultimates and people complain if they are not able to get off jobs to bis when the ultimate comes out (like a smn main might want to play blm if dps check is tough)
Savage is already mostly dead after 2 months. When criterian comes out.
People who want to learn off jobs can start with higher gear so they get a little help and not be on crafted and "grief" party while others are near bis, even pf has min ilvl requirements.
You still need savage books for upgrade so still you are forced to do 1-2 savage for upgrade, this way savage might stay relevant.
Without gear numbers, ilvl, it doesn't hit your dopamine circuitry hard enuf to motivate you. Even though it seems pointless ... Brain thinks otherwise.
Adding mount, furnishing might not be a strong incentive to put development time in criterion when hardly People play criterion

This. 100% this. We already get random glams from Criterion and it has proven itself not enough.

[TmzOS]

This. 100% this. We already get random glams from Criterion and it has proven itself not enough.

Criterion rewards are a joke, obviously it will not attract much ppl, while the Island (an absolute casual content) got tons of different things within time, they haven't added a good list to CDs (maybe because its not popular or not intended to be THE CONTENT). CDs should have 3 times more rewards to be attractive (not talking about rng drops, I hate rng), but I suppose SE don't care since not much ppl play it and possibly it is still considered experimental and will be forgotten like many things in the game (a natural cycle in FFXIV, and I hate this way of work, spending tons of resourcers in content to be forgotten). Actually if you think about, the reward system in this game is very limited, Mr Yoshi P don't want to see you grinding in the game for hours, probably that's why we don't have a gigaton list of rewards everywhere and cursed the game in a constant powercreep for gear.

I still keep my vision, best gear must be tied to raids and nothing more, because the way it was within time and the time required in raids to be done .. but yeah VDs/CDs need more love. Sadly I think it will die like any other secondary content (Deep Dungeons as example... and probably Islands will go to this path soon). Funny, my favorite glam come from VDs.

[vetch]

the reward system in this game is very limited, Mr Yoshi P don't want to see you grinding in the game for hours, probably that's why we don't have a gigaton list of rewards everywhere and cursed the game in a constant powercreep for gear.

"New optional item available for purchase!"

[kidknee]

Those who just want to gear their main and then unsubscribe can do so.
Doing criterion isn't mandatory as it just rewards
Below savage gear and = savage gear with augment.
It's mainly for PPL wanting to do ultimates who are hardcore and have no life.
Others will be content with bis on one job and goodbye.
It's not really a power creep as it doesn't affect future savage or ultimates.
This is entire different from wow where ... Doing tourghast is a must to clear the raid.

[TmzOS]

About gear, some go for as reward or to get stronger, due to this, "Raid-tier" gear (usually blue) can't be related to light party content. Most of the "endgame" gear is related to "raids", include general raids, ally raids, trials and yes their variants (extreme/savage), all depends on the moment and the patch. To change this you need to change an old structure, and for this the relevance of CDs must increase IMO. Taking this as basis, is very clear why putting "raid-tier" gear on CDs is nonsense, especially because this content born dead.

In a matter of philosophy: people care about gear? Partially, yes. MSQs will require some, usually people like to become stronger and this game follows a modus operandi since ARR (?), with few variations, usually what I described above. If they add gear to CDs it must fill a need, that now we don't have, because it will break this way that is been followed from the past and in a way that no one cares probably (VDs/CDs). If you analyze, in most points, every content is in a planned obsolescence, from gear to dungeons/raids, everything.. so to create a new step of gear (or gear logic), it must fulfill something for a good time, that already will be placed in the next patches, since we already expect the same thing of the last raid tier.

So, excluding the raid-like gear, if they add some green dungeon gear, it could be nice? Probably not. First because there are other ways to get gear, easier, and maybe stronger. Literally if SE dedicates tons of resources to place an entire line of gear just for Criterion dgs, it should be following some kind of purpose, again, that we don't need and will conflict with the ways we already got. Tbh idk if SE want to burn their resouces to feed an experimental content with a gear that will last for maybe one patch. Remember, making games is expensive and takes time.

We shoud be arguing with SE why they made things "badly cooked" or with an expiration date. I remember when a friend talked about the VD/CD being some kind of "M+ of FFXIV", and it was an absolute joke in comparison. I guess actually we should request SE to make CDs better maybe even becoming a new relevant way of endgame, but, remember, purpose and programmed obsolescence. The community want harder content? And when I say community I'm saying a big majority? If yes, CDs can become this, but it is dead, they can change it, but again, dead, most players don't care, rewards are poor, purpose is null, its much like a harder dungeon to farm mounts and pets, that you can freely skip, like 90% of this game.

Next patch a new CD will be released, will be an amazing content or just another to farm and forget after a month? I really want to see new things in this game, your idea isn't bad, but it needs a better structure to work, and yes the community must accept some changes. That's why I suggested just a long list of good rewards instead of change that can conflict with the known game progression.

[Sazuzaki]

/snip

I get what you're saying now, and I don't think it's a bad idea.

If we really want to keep it reward neutral, then offering up more things you can exchange the Criterion currency for would be really good. Going off of vetch's idea, they could put a list of patch dungeon gear you can buy with the coins, as well as other stuff from previous content. It would allow them to recycle old dungeon gear (which might be BiS in some ultimates), as well as make the grind to acquire said gear more fun and possibly less time consuming.

Still runs into the problem where people won't run it if the armor doesn't look good enough/nobody wants it, but as I said before, that could be countered by adding a weekly tome reward.

Though, I'm still on board with Criterion rewarding actual gear.